I made a P99 DPS calculator for melee classes based on EQEMU code

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no real point in continuing this back and forth. You already admitted you need to use "something" that modifies how your mouse works aside from it's standard functionality to get offhand weaving to work for non-monks.

That "something", whether it be a script or a piece of hardware, is against the rules. People are not going to use that "something" on P99 and risk a ban for a few DPS.

While it was a distraction from your thread, I feel you accomplished a huge task. For years this person has been claiming people who don’t offhand swap melee every couple seconds are lazy and unskilled. Turns out they were just basing this on outsourcing the labor to programmable hardware.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You already admitted you need to use "something" that modifies how your mouse works aside from it's standard functionality to get offhand weaving to work for non-monks.

No I didn't. You have absolutely shit reading comprehension.

Offhand weapon swapping is perfectly viable with a totally "normal" setup as long as your haste % is not too high; higher mechanical ability will result in higher and higher potential performance. Someone has even talked about how they've used it in this thread. Maybe the p99 client is not as good as the classic client, but goal of p99 is to get there, so what's important is discussing how things are supposed to be.

And no, it's not punishable to use a more precise mouse, but keep pretending like you're an admin (while admitting you would hack all users' computers to check for such a thing) when you aren't. Anyone can also change the mouse sensitivity settings on their computer, just as people have also done things like turn up their gamma a ton to curb the effects of nightblindness in game. There's been 0 punishment ever.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I am probably a masochist, I did do a test on my Monk to show what Offhand Swapping would look like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH304a1EIjQ

You're either a troll or completely lost. This is all wrong. The whole point is to swap after the Two-hander swing, and without fist damage (you can not leave auto-attack on). You're just spamming the swap with zero regard to when the Two-hand swing is actually happening. Look at how the vast majority of your hits are "you punch", and not "you crush" (attacking with actual weapons). It shouldn't ever say punch.

[Jimjam]

Hmm could you make a custom ui where the hotbar slot 1 button is also the next hot bar page button?

That way you could click the button, unequipping 2hs and changing to page 2, click again, swapping cursored item from 2hs to 1hs and changing to page 3, click again equipping 1hs to secondary and changing to page 4, click again to unequip 1hs and change to page 5, click again to change cursored item from 1hs to 2hs and change to page 6, then finally click again to equip 2hs to primary and change to page 7… then you’d have to hit your hotkey to go to page 1 and start the process again after 2hs swings…

Edit: you’d also need to disable autoattack before unequipping 2hs obviously. And on again after equipping secondary and maybe off and on again while juggling back to 2hs.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm could you make a custom ui where the hotbar slot 1 button is also the next hot bar page button?

That way you could click the button, unequipping 2hs and changing to page 2, click again, swapping cursored item from 2hs to 1hs and changing to page 3

Try it out!

Also speaking of custom UI, interesting how it's allowed to completely change that function of the game with a 3RD PARTY PROGRAM, creating significant advantages over using just the standard Everquest UI, yet there is a spazz here trying to argue that they could somehow detect and police what kind of mouse settings people are using to play the game.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try it out!

Also speaking of custom UI, interesting how it's allowed to completely change that function of the game with a 3RD PARTY PROGRAM, creating significant advantages over using just the standard Everquest UI, yet there is a spazz here trying to argue that they could somehow detect and police what kind of mouse settings people are using to play the game.

You don't seem to understand what things like third party programs actually are. Perhaps that is why you are confused. You've said before GINA shouldn't be used, even though the rules specify log reading programs are OK. You think UI modifications are third party programs when they are not. The client has a UI modification system already built in to it. That is what people use to make new UIs. So it's not too suprising you don't fully understand what kind of hardware is allowed.

You can do what you want. I am just warning you that what you are suggesting may be against the rules, and you can be banned for it. It's not worth taking the risk on an account you've put a lot of time into.

And yes, they can detect bot or hardware like behavior by looking at the data you send up to the server. If you are doing more mouse clicks per second than what is thought possible, they may see that as suspicious.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think UI modifications are third party programs when they are not.

A program that you put on your computer to drastically modify the client (which is how most people do it) is exactly a third party program. The EQ game client does not naturally provide a way to make more text boxes and things of that nature. Changing the text colors by manually adjusting a couple lines in the game file was the only thing people were doing in Classic (discounting the outright hackers), and that was something Verant themselves told people how to do.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are doing more mouse clicks per second than what is thought possible, they may see that as suspicious.

You aren't doing more mouse clicks per second than what is already possible. You aren't doing more mouse clicks at all, than what is already involved with weapon swapping. If someone wants to adjust their mouse settings or use a virtual mouse, it's no different than other personal adjustments that are allowed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A program that you put on your computer to drastically modify the client (which is how most people do it) is exactly a third party program. The EQ game client does not naturally provide a way to make more text boxes and things of that nature. Changing the text colors by manually adjusting a couple lines in the game file was the only thing people were doing in Classic (discounting the outright hackers), and that was something Verant themselves told people how to do.

The titanuim client does have a system built into it that allows the titanium client to read a new UI setup. That is what /loadskin does. That is not a third party program, that is a literal feature within the client. You are incorrect here.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't doing more mouse clicks per second than what is already possible. You aren't doing more mouse clicks at all, than what is already involved with weapon swapping. If someone wants to adjust their mouse settings or use a virtual mouse, it's no different than other personal adjustments that are allowed.

If you are saving screen positions with a script or piece of hardware, you will be able to click more times per second, because you are instantly teleporting your mouse cursor to different positions instead of manually moving the cursor with your hand.

Again, I don't quite believe your story that you were simply suggesting to increase the speed of your mouse cursor with this quote:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, lets say you are using a basic mouse and keyboard with a mouse that just has a high cursor speed. From my testing, it takes too much focus away from the game to do this kind of swapping. I wouldn't recommend people to do it. If you were allowed to use software or hardware that teleported your mouse around the screen, offhand swapping would be more feasible. You would be using hotkeys to offhand swap rather than constantly watching where your mouse cursor is.

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I forget outside swapping offhand weapons in and out every 2 seconds, Zuranthium is toggling attack on and off.

[Naethyn]

How does it translate to steam deck controller? It combines single buttons into things like alt + click or ctrl + click.

[Naethyn]

Is it better than in combat bind wound though?