To the R99 Staff and Players -

[Salty]

GMs have no business in PvP.

Concur.

But with a box as fucked as vztz was (lol bind wound someone, they zone out before done, zone crashes), there were so many game breaking issues that made it easy for players to grief your face off the server.

Just having 60 people in one zone pvping was damn near impossible before the community gave Gronkus a bunch of money.




Saeryx putting knockback on all Plane of Sky mobs was the worst thing in the world. Have you ever done Plane of Sky where you get knockbacked every 15seconds?

#winning sky

Remove knockback when our competition finally decides to farm up there. Thanks vztz staff.

[Rushmore]

I also agree with everything Sirken posted

YT ZONE WIDE would be nice and a great compromise

PLUGGING should be a 10 minute downtime before you can log back in.

[Buhbuh]

Opening a server and taking off doesn't work. Another case of nostalgia is blinding those of you who think things were perfect the way they were in the past. Don't put EQ up on a pedestal like that. We are all aware that the right things they did do made it one of the most fun PvP games ever, but there was a lot that was still pretty ridiculous.

The fact that half the population of each of our old EQlive servers weren't banned doesn't mean GM intervention is wrong or bad. What it simply means is that Sony wanted money, and banning people required gumption on behalf of the staff at Sony. In reality, people should have been banned into oblivion from the beginning of live to be made an example of, in order for it to stop.

I was a monk my entire EQ career. Intentional training was bullshit and very easily distinguished from trains where the details were sketchy. In my honest opinion, nothing is better for the server than, "If you're a dickhead, kick rocks."

If you don't want GM's present on the server regarding terrible behavior, you don't want to be held accountable for your actions. Macken is a fan of spouting about these ideas: "go out in real life and try it, see how that works." You're taking attention away from yourself and the bigger issue. YOU go out and try to be unaccountable for the things you do in the world. Shit doesn't work that way, pal.

I'm all about being hands off when it comes to battling and contesting zones, etc. Trains happen, whatever. But when someone takes it to that next level (and even sometimes fails at wiping whole guilds), I would wholly enjoy hearing he/ she got the hammer. Trains will happen either way, but if people are getting caught and banned for it, great!

Let me ask one thing for the people who disagree: When you first came to the emulated EQ experiences, with things like slow ass exp, no SoW indoors, having to look at a spellbook to meditate, and the like fixed or eliminated to some degree, was being intentionally trained by someone from another guild while after raiding for 3 hours not on your list of things in EQ that sucked complete ass? Was it something we all looked fondly on?

When trains happened unintentionally, I remember both sides of a war were remorseful oftentimes because the actual fighting ended there when it could have continued without the interruption. Is that not how you feel, too? I get pretty fuckin' bummed when I'm PvPing and mobs get thrown in the mix fortuitously. When it happens intentionally and nothing happens, is that okay? That merits nothing at all? Just another day? We condone that now? Fight fire with fire? That's your solution? Eye for an eye? It becomes a pretty caustic environment to be a part of that way.

Don't mistake that I or those of us that disagree with you can't adapt like the best of them-- that isn't an argument. Adaptation to PvP situations makes you a better player, but actively training players is eliminating a person's ability to adapt. That is the point of training-- to kill quickly, to halt, to block progress, to stunt.

"I told you so" could be applied to every other PvP server up to this point, Macken. Rarely, if ever, were people held accountable for what they did on VZTZ, KAB, R69, and whatever the fuck else came about in the past 3 years. No offense to GM's who gave us what we wanted to the best of their abilities, but they simply didn't have the resources this place does. If we have the option of GM's open to discussion, why not take it? Sounds like a +1 in my book.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't want GM's present on the server regarding terrible behavior, you don't want to be held accountable for your actions. Macken is a fan of spouting about these ideas: "go out in real life and try it, see how that works." You're taking attention away from yourself and the bigger issue. YOU go out and try to be unaccountable for the things you do in the world. Shit doesn't work that way, pal.

Dear Nub,

If the object of the game is to kill or be killed, then what exactly are you going to be held accountable for?

Are you suggesting i should try and kill someone irl and try to be unaccountable to it, as proof you deserve GM help to pvp?

Except for trains-- if it's in the game, it's in the game.

What you want is a referee to save you.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dear Nub,

If the object of the game is to kill or be killed, then what exactly are you going to be held accountable for?

Are you suggesting i should try and kill someone irl and try to be unaccountable to it, as proof you deserve GM help to pvp?

Except for trains-- if it's in the game, it's in the game.

What you want is a referee to save you.

PvP is our agenda, yes. The object of the game, though? That depends on the player. The purpose of the server is to have PvP, something completely ignored and ancillary to what Sony had intended this game to be for. Obviously there are areas that were neglected and able to be used to fuck someone. So yeah, other than omitting from your memory that I said I could hang on any server with any rules, I do think GM's should hold people accountable for things on a game that weren't intended to be used as what most of you so eloquently call "tactics."

You just want the server up and to be left alone to do whatever you want, and so do I. But training is only a part of EQ in your memory because nobody gave two shits about it. When people were banned for it, I don't remember anyone caring. I have no problem with GM's banning for it. I think you think they'll go down a slippery slope and start making assumptions about who or what is training. GM's locking characters on an inference isn't what we're talking about though. Intervention for me is defined after the fact. I'd rather be trained, the night of events be over, and then have whoever trained on purpose banned or suspended.

I'm sure the devs have already realized that you make empty claims and don't expalin yourself, though. So whatevs. I imagine there will be GM's. Your case is weak.

[Rushmore]

So basically all the so called scum of VZTZ that hated and cheated each other pretty much agree with the Sirken Law.

Only exception is Macken.

Lets use this as a base and maybe tweak it where we can agree for the better.

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do think GM's should hold people accountable for things on a game that weren't intended to be used as what most of you so eloquently call "tactics."

Your case is weak.

If you include any rules other than trains, what you want is a referee to save you.

My cases are corroborated by two VZTZ GMs, and agreed upon by many others. It's just not everyone agrees with all 3: Free Trade PvP, and infinitesimal GM involvement, with proof of who is the best.

Free Trade PvP being, 7-50 range pvp, police the trains (if you can) and thats it. let the bodies fall where they may.

The GMs will thank me for the 2nd one.

Why is anyone afraid of a leaderboard? I'd be more worried about finding enough pvp with less to fight over. Anyone who is mad because i made fun of them over YT and Leaderboards this summer during the hiatus needs to quit holding the community hostage and get over their fear and anger.

You still have a chance. It'll be a new start.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by non retarded VZTZer

When I made a rule against raining AoE corpses at zonelines until we could figure out how to fix it, what did you (and others) do? You rained zonelines and were winning PvP because players would pop in zones with 25% HP.

The pathetic part is a lot of vztzjects have no problem with exploits such as this. They think it's just par for the course in their pussy golf game.

[eastadam55]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The pathetic part is a lot of vztzjects have no problem with exploits such as this. They think it's just par for the course in their pussy golf game.

your one pathetic piece of shit aren't you?

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will continuously give my opinions even though nobody cares and I will never participate in pvp myself

tru dat