Game Mechanics: Nullify Magic

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dispels should never resist and always be effective at removing effects without PR/DR counters from right to left. There are no "dispel counters." If you disagree you didn't play classic EverQuest.

you would think that a self-proclaimed "prodigy of everquest" would be able to articulate more sophisticated arguments than "if you disagree you're wrong."

[Mardur]

My argument is exactly as sophisticated as everyone else's, I'm going on my personal experiences of playing casters pre-kunark and on (enchanter and shaman). The difference is I have absolutely no idea what era everyone else played, if drugs are clouding their memory, etc.

[Palemoon]

more evidence has been presented in this thread beyond "random cloudy memories of 1999".

[Cwall]

box life folks
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[jilena]

I will say that mobs have cast nullify/cancel/pillage on my shaman on this server with 100% success rate. I have killed dozens of casters in CT and they do this every single time so I assume it's a pretty good test group.

I do not know if "resisting" this was added for player vs player use or not.

[Dfn]

Way too many idiots on this forum thinking their "prove it" posts are worthwhile. You didn't play 1999 PvP so stfu.

Nullify line, Splurt, Druid swarms, Necro taps, Necro tap dots, Necro heat blood line, Pillage/Strip, etc... All spells that were for all intents and purposes unresistable. Find me proof otherwise dipshits.

[Harrison]

Heat blood unresistable? Lolz

ubetrollin'

[jilena]

Dfn, the point is you have to prove these things were this way. You can't just be like I PLAYED PVP IN 1999 AND YOU DIDN'T SO I AM 100% RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I know this might sound crazy, but that's not really proof of anything. 99% of the people posting "bugs" on this forum are 100% wrong and full of shit or having serious issues recalling what EQ is like even today much less 12 years ago.

[Bockscar]

Originally Posted by Dfn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nullify line, Splurt, Druid swarms, Necro taps, Necro tap dots, Necro heat blood line, Pillage/Strip, etc... All spells that were for all intents and purposes unresistable. Find me proof otherwise dipshits.

To be fair, there's a difference between a spell having a negative resist modifier and not checking for resist at all because it isn't a detrimental spell. Druid swarms and necro blood dots were plenty resistable, they just had a -100 modifier so you had to have 150+ MR/FR for a realistic chance. Dispels should not even roll against resists, I've never heard about that until these bug reports. It was a classic fact of life that dispels always worked. It's a beneficial effect, and it just happens that you can use it offensively as well in exactly the same way that you could invis someone to poof their pet or fungistaff someone to snare them (these were later made group only). Dispels were later made detrimental merely for the purpose of aggroing mobs. Doesn't mean they were made resistable.

I dug around on all kinds of old websites, using the wayback machine to scour EQLizer from 1999 and shit like that. There's no usable information, just pointless spell descriptions like "Nullify Magic is an upgrade to Cancel Magic" and "Pillage Enchantment can be used to remove buffs and debuffs from your target." It's obvious by now that the proof just doesn't exist anymore. That'll be the case with a number of these obscure things because the references would be so old that they're basically not findable anymore. If we can't find proof that dispels were unresistable and we can't find evidence that they were resistable, I think it's safe to go with what the overwhelming majority knows to be true.

If nobody has found a single credible source by now that says dispels were resistable, I'd say that's proof enough when we all know they weren't.

[Dfn]

I believe they were a -200 resist modifier. So as I said, for all intents and purposes - unresistable. I can't remember ever resisting or getting resisted on Necro taps, blood line, druid swarm, etc. They were not unresistable as they did resist on some mobs in PvE - but they had a significant negative resist modifier that made VIRTUALLY unresistable in PvP. I'm sure a fluke chance resist happened from time to time, but it was not commonplace at all.

Pillage/Nullify/Etc should not have a resist mechanic attached to it at all for PvP because, afaik, it acts as a beneficial spell.

And for all you fuckers that keep saying "get me proof" well how about you get me proof that people regularly resisted swarm, heat blood, nec taps, etc. Good luck dipshits.