Ever a chance of allowing double boxing?

[Excision Rottun]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny, they both already have. Classic and Hiroshima/Nagasaki, respectively.

Yeah limited due to only one country having nuclear weapons at the time.

Give it a try now and see what happens.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If left unchecked, those two-boxing quickly become a dominant force and make life difficult for those who'd rather single-box, thus making that percentage higher.

Two-boxing in everquest has always been limited. The only implementation that works is a limited implementation.

If I could multi box I would be running a mini raid force right now.

But if that were the case I'd just go on another server and deathtouch every mob or summon whatever item I want and call it a day, because I'd be missing out on playing in an actual living community. The limitations set in place here don't let me go hog wild and I'm thankful for it.

It's never going to be about, "I just want to be able to xp when no one is on!" because it doesn't stop there with multiboxing. It never will. It turns into farming items into the ground (see: manastone, rubi BP).

There are many nights that go by that I can't get a group in primetime yet I don't get upset that I cannot multibox - I just go do other stuff in or out of game. Hell you can go create a group WITH REAL PEOPLE to go do something monumentally more interesting than sitting in solA/solB/uguk/lguk all day, anyway.

Make the game fun by interacting with other people, not sitting alone at your desk.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny, they both already have. Classic and Hiroshima/Nagasaki, respectively.

At the time of those bombings, the United States was the only country to possess atomic weapons. Can't have a limited nuclear war when only one guy has the bomb. You can have a limited "I'm only gonna annihilate one or two of your cities" kinda limited nuclear war I guess, but you and I both know I was talking about nuclear exchanges, now don't we?

I've really tried to bring meat to my arguments...and I'm not seeing anything from the other side explaining how boxing would help the server. Not the individual player, not you, the server.

Convince me that it's a healthy thing for the server. Please. I'd like to box.

[stackbabber]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've really tried to bring meat to my arguments...and I'm not seeing anything from the other side explaining how boxing would help the server. Not the individual player, not you, the server.

Convince me that it's a healthy thing for the server. Please. I'd like to box.

If adding more players = healthy, I could see it having that affect. Rogean can open a forum strictly for 2 boxing (i.e. needing permission) and then keep it at a certain level.

Theres an incentive to donate. X donation = 1 month of 2 boxing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ihealyou]

I used to play on Stormhaven, which allowed people to 3 box. When I played, the most people I saw playing was around 130, which was probably 40-50 actual people. In Stormhaven's case, boxing was good since there weren't many people to play with as you leveled up. The downside was that no one grouped with each other pretty much until they hit raid content.

With 600 people playing here, I really don't see boxing as a good thing. People would just go play by themselves and unlike Stormhaven, enough people play here to make grouping pretty easy.

[Ferok]

Originally Posted by Excision Rottun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah limited due to only one country having nuclear weapons at the time.

Give it a try now and see what happens.

See my post above. I get it. There need to be limitations. I've suggested a couple.

[Ferok]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the time of those bombings, the United States was the only country to possess atomic weapons. Can't have a limited nuclear war when only one guy has the bomb. You can have a limited "I'm only gonna annihilate one or two of your cities" kinda limited nuclear war I guess, but you and I both know I was talking about nuclear exchanges, now don't we?

I've really tried to bring meat to my arguments...and I'm not seeing anything from the other side explaining how boxing would help the server. Not the individual player, not you, the server.

Convince me that it's a healthy thing for the server. Please. I'd like to box.

Right, which is like I said - there have to be limits. If you read me a few posts up, I understand that limitless boxing would be a decidedly bad thing for the server.

However, I think limited boxing could be good for the health of the server. It could provide a higher (albeit perceived) population during off-peak hours (if limited to off-peak hours); it could provide non-solo classes a different path to mid levels (if it were limited to lower-level accounts); or it could provide an incentive for donation (if limited to those who donate x).

I think we can all agree that limitless boxing is a bad thing. My point is to suggest that within certain limits, it wouldn't be detrimental to the health of the server, and may in fact be beneficial.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Ferok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, which is like I said - there have to be limits.

Which means you totally misunderstood the "limited nuclear warfare" reference.

The limits can be defined, but brother it wouldn't happen.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Let's define two classes of player.

The first class of player are the regular players. They are not allowed to two box.

The second class of player needs to two box. This group is defined as everyone except Ferok.

Do you see the problem with your ideas yet? Two boxing is a very large and very significant advantage. Nearly everyone will want to two box and most of those who don't want to will be forced to do so if they want to be competitive at all.

You are literally trying to create an entitlement program for the disadvantaged in an MMO. No one is disadvantaged here. We all have one character, one set of hands, one brain. Some of us are diligent. Some of us are clever. Some of us are charming. Some of us have powerful friends. Some of us work harder. Some of us just have to compromise. All of us had to level up. All of us had to look for groups if we wanted groups. All of us had to run across the world or try to beg or buy a port.

You are not special. You do not deserve special treatment to help you catch up to the big boys. You deserve only what you can accomplish for yourself--level, gear, friends, popularity, power, wealth, success. This is a game. There will be winners and losers. The only way to ensure that you don't lose is to not play, but then you can't win, either.

A million baseless arguments will not change the fact that the one emu server that does not allow boxing is the most successful. This is not a coincidence. The community has repeatedly expressed support for this policy. What is left to discuss?

[Ferok]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's define two classes of player.

The first class of player are the regular players. They are not allowed to two box.

The second class of player needs to two box. This group is defined as everyone except Ferok.

Huh?

Maybe this is incorrectly stated, I don't really follow it as written. Either way, you're right - I don't need to two box. I like to two box. I've enjoyed it the past. I'm enjoying leveling right now, without it. If I thought I was special, I'd be doing it anyway, outside of the rules. Games are only fun to play, if they're played by the rules.

As I have discussed, there are advantages (for the server, as well as the participant) for allowing it. You can refute any of my points you like (and people have), that's cool with me. However, you hardly discuss the points I've made in your little tirade, instead trying to tear me down based on some assumptions you've made about who I am.

At least I think; as mentioned, I don't really follow the "two classes of players" bit. But since you're calling me out by name, I'm guessing it's about what I've posted.

I don't consider myself disadvantaged, and I'm honestly not that interested in "catching up with the big boys" as you put it. I've been there, and honestly, I just don't have the time to be a "big boy" these days. I'm quite happy enjoying the leveling process. I'm in no hurry for 50, or 60, or raiding fear or ToV.

So please, spare me the tyler durden / wargames speech. I'm all set. As I've said, I personally enjoy two boxing because I enjoy the challenge of it. It's got zip to do with feeling special or any of the other baseless crap you threw out.

Final thought, correlation != causation. You can argue that they're linked, but to insinuate causation is to ignore a slew of other factors.