Alter End-Game Mechanics

[thrump]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you need Trak for other than to deny other guilds BPs/teeth/epics? And that's just one example. TMO admits their VP tracking bot has a full set of VP weapons. Please, explain why you are killing mobs other than to deny the mobs to other groups. Keeping the items scarce through any form of denial is no different than what IB did to TMO.

There are still people needing breastplates and other trak loot, including keys. You really think we wake up at 3am just to deny others loot we have no use for? Lol. Neg. I like sleep. Shockingly, some classes have their bps while other classes still need. Repeat for other mobs... or are you really wanting Draco for those bone razors? Didn't think so.

[fadetree]

It's fair because they are the only ones willing to put up with what it takes. It doesn't get any fairer than that. You might mean 'I think it takes too much, and it should be changed so it's easier to do'. That's a different thing...and one that I personally don't think should be done on this server, even though I am very unlikely to be willing/able to do what it takes either.

[Ravager]

I'm not saying the content should be easier. I'm saying the content should be accessable. This isn't a PvP game. If TMO really wanted the competition that they claim to want, they'd be on the Red server where competition is the game. As it stands they are killing mobs they don't need just so that other guilds can't have them.

And to a casual player who wants a trip down memory lane and a chance to see parts of the game they didn't have a chance at the first go around, yes, it is indeed unfair.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying the content should be easier. I'm saying the content should be accessable. This isn't a PvP game. If TMO really wanted the competition that they claim to want, they'd be on the Red server where competition is the game. As it stands they are killing mobs they don't need just so that other guilds can't have them.

And to a casual player who wants a trip down memory lane and a chance to see parts of the game they didn't have a chance at the first go around, yes, it is indeed unfair.

Well, it is accessible, if you outcompete TMO. In other words, it's not accessible because competing with TMO at this point is very hard, not because of some system feature or the hardness of the encounter itself or TMO exploiting ( as far as I know ).

On a personal note, if TMO is really killing stuff they don't need just to deny others, that sucks, but I have exactly zero knowledge of whether they are or not. I can't see why they would at this point.

I'm not personally against any change to how end game raiding works, but I think that it would have to be pretty extensive to really make a difference. I think it's got to look pretty much like instancing unless people are willing to put up with enforced rotations.

[falkun]

And that's why, as I mentioned earlier, I abstained from the poll.

Both sides have merit. A classic feel is killing dragons, not training the other guild so you can kill dragons. In my experiences from Live, if another guild was present at a kill, we went and found a new target, not fight for FTE.

At the same time, a classic feel is 7 day respawn, not "kill on token summon" when it fits my raid's schedule. This meant we were often beat to server pops by Asian time-zones.

Since I feel this server contains an overall more casual playerbase, it would benefit from some form of more casual raid schedule ability. However, since the server's goal is a reproduction of classic, it would benefit from static respawns. Since I can't decide which weighs more heavily, the goal of the server or the wishes of the playerbase, I am a "hung jury" on changing the server.

I will agree, however, that the current variance system does not cater to the majority of the server's player base and also is not classic.

[SamwiseRed]

enable pvp in raid zones on blue. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimes]

People are complaining about not getting mobs, but you really just want them handed to you on a platter. There have been a couple of times in the past month or two where the servers went down and every single raid target respawned. All you guys managed to drop were what, maestro and vox? What makes you think you deserve raid content if that's the best effort you can bring to the table. Enjoy your hate clears and KC xp groups, because that's going to be your EQ experience until you pull your shit together and take what you want. If there are people on the server that want it more than you, then whose fault is that exactly?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are complaining about not getting mobs, but you really just want them handed to you on a platter. There have been a couple of times in the past month or two where the servers went down and every single raid target respawned. All you guys managed to drop were what, maestro and vox? What makes you think you deserve raid content if that's the best effort you can bring to the table. Enjoy your hate clears and KC xp groups, because that's going to be your EQ experience until you pull your shit together and take what you want. If there are people on the server that want it more than you, then whose fault is that exactly?

Having an opportunity to attempt a mob that you can just as easily wipe to without interference is not the same thing as having it handed to you on a platter. This is the very attitude that destroys the end game for the majority of the population who don't want to spend their game time sitting on spawn points, logging off DT cycles, dodging trains or corpse running.

And to insinuate that they're lazy or don't want it enough is a little ridiculous. EQ is a grind. For most people to get to the level to see this content they've got a /played in the weeks and months.

You say other guilds don't deserve these mobs, but what makes you feel entitled to these mobs on a free server? Do you feel entitled to all the free samples at the grocery store because the other customers didn't want them bad enough?

[Jimes]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having an opportunity to attempt a mob that you can just as easily wipe to without interference is not the same thing as having it handed to you on a platter. This is the very attitude that destroys the end game for the majority of the population who don't want to spend their game time sitting on spawn points, logging off DT cycles, dodging trains or corpse running.

And to insinuate that they're lazy or don't want it enough is a little ridiculous. EQ is a grind. For most people to get to the level to see this content they've got a /played in the weeks and months.

You say other guilds don't deserve these mobs, but what makes you feel entitled to these mobs on a free server? Do you feel entitled to all the free samples at the grocery store because the other customers didn't want them bad enough?

I never said I was entitled to anything. And that's the point. No one is entitled to anything. EQ has no instances, so the mobs are there for whoever is strong enough to get them. I think there's enough people and gear on this server for multiple guilds to be strong enough to get these kills, but at the moment only one puts forth the effort to make it happen. The others are too busy typing out walls of text about how unfair it is.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Jimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said I was entitled to anything. And that's the point. No one is entitled to anything. EQ has no instances, so the mobs are there for whoever is strong enough to get them. I think there's enough people and gear on this server for multiple guilds to be strong enough to get these kills, but at the moment only one puts forth the effort to make it happen. The others are too busy typing out walls of text about how unfair it is.

By 'strong' you mean 'willing to sit at the computer for hours on end'. But other than that I agree with you.

MUST QUIT FORUMS MY GOD