Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but just like any other unregulated human endeavor.. people strive to get better and better.. eventually one group/business/person becomes powerful enough to crush the competition and it makes sense that they would do what is necessary to stay on top because its by no means easy to get there.


competition cannot exist in a free market unless it is forced to exist.. the US government realized this over 100 years ago with monopoly busting.. I'm sure the same sort of sentiment can be applied here.. no meaningful competition can exist when there is one overly dominant player.

.....You contradicted yourself here

[Slave]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you happen to see the raid scene prior to variance? I mean.. ultimately we would have everything we could 100% classic with no changes.. but there's a reason it was instituted in the first place.

Everyone here has seen the raid scene after variance, and evidenced by the huge die-off of population, the server has determined that it is not acceptable that one guild get 90% of the targets through a mechanic that is not even Classic to begin with.

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to discount that FTE shout is a good idea in itself, but the responses to this are correct. LvL 1 gnome enchanter, sitting down, first in zone, sitting there for days. Should that really be the deciding factor of a claim?

If this is the best reason you can come up with to deny the FTE shout addition to raids, then

sub EVENT_AGGRO{
	if($ulevel > 44){
		quest::shout("$name has engaged.");
	}
}

and let's get it done!

It's an exciting time to be on P99 when the developers are here in forums and concerned about what is happening. The grand majority of us are very much looking forward to your solutions regarding this mess that variance has made. Thank you for all your time and effort on P99, Nilbog. It's probably the best game ever made.

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Slave;672202

If this is the best reason you can come up with to deny the FTE shout addition to raids, then

[CODE

sub EVENT_AGGRO{
if($ulevel > 44){
quest::shout("$name has engaged.");
}
}[/CODE]

and let's get it done!

.

Why is a lvl 44 person afk for days better than a lvl. 1?

[LizardNecro]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The players themselves have opportunities to change the raiding scene. They do not.

I would respectfully disagree with you. There have been multiple open raids for the most desirable targets (Trak) recently. Many targets have been left up for days, and guilds that have wanted tries at targets have gotten those tries without interference. The players have had the opportunity to change the scene and have done so.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is a lvl 44 person afk for days better than a lvl. 1?

at which spawn in kunark or classic can a level 44 sit afk without dying?

All 4 kunark dragons have either pathing see invis mobs or water making this impossible.

Trak and VS lair are full of mobs. Fear and hate have see invis pathers.

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at which spawn in kunark or classic can a level 44 sit afk without dying?

All 4 kunark dragons have either pathing see invis mobs or water making this impossible.

Trak and VS lair are full of mobs. Fear and hate have see invis pathers.

You only have to be at the spawn point rigth when it spawns when all of the raids will be there also. Also Trks lair is hardly full of see invis mobs, about one in 10 juggs has see invis. Either way I don't see how a fte shout means you can have zero variance without serious problem. I would personally be in favor of shorter windows to reduce tedium in the raid scene, though they cannot be so short as to entice poopsocking I think

[Splorf22]

This is why the big idea is server reboots and the small idea is FTE shouts.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

.....You contradicted yourself here

No, he didn't. Competition ends when there is a winner, barring an imposed reset imposed by mutually agreed rules (new season in sports competitions, for example), or by an outside rulegiver, doesn't matter. Pretending that sitting on the others' head after achieving a dominant position constitutes some sort of competition is bullshit, aka a flat-out lie.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at which spawn in kunark or classic can a level 44 sit afk without dying?

All 4 kunark dragons have either pathing see invis mobs or water making this impossible.

Trak and VS lair are full of mobs. Fear and hate have see invis pathers.

Well the point is you wouldn't want people doing that. But I just picked a random level anyway, one that's high but not max level. That would indicate the toon was worked on and not rolled for the sole purpose of defecating in footwear. The level, of course, would be subject to debate. The fact is, the script works.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, he didn't. Competition ends when there is a winner, barring an imposed reset imposed by mutually agreed rules (new season in sports competitions, for example), or by an outside rulegiver, doesn't matter. Pretending that sitting on the others' head after achieving a dominant position constitutes some sort of competition is bullshit, aka a flat-out lie.

IB was the winner we came competed and won. Anyone else can come compete just start round 2?