Sorry Conservatives, but Obama looks like he has this one in the bag

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't even matter though! Voting for Romney is throwing your vote away! 97+% GUYS!

not if u live in ohio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Reiker000]

How I hope things go down:

Obama wins the election. Fast forward to the inauguration. Obama is standing before thousands of adorers. He begins to speak,

"People of the United States of America... I am honored by your faith and commitment in these trying times. But the fact is... I can't handle this shit anymore."

Confetti and balloons fall as Bill Clinton enters the stage.

"That is why Bill Clinton will be taking over from here. Peace out fuckers."

*crowd cheers wildly as Bill Clinton takes the oath*

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because yes, 2009 was clearly Obama's fault. im sure 8 years of crazy had nothing to do with that.

under bush we were hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month.

and we've had what now, just about 3 years worth of consecutive job growth minus a month here or there ?

any way you slice it, gaining jobs slowly is better than losing 750,000 per month

The issue isn't whether or not 2009 was Obama's fault -- and there's a very real argument to be made that he could've done more to minimize the damage. The issue is that you're counting it as an accomplishment that he regained a portion of jobs that had just been lost via a massive recession. Unless you were expecting another Great Depression, that was going to happen no matter who was president.

And we weren't 'hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month'. That's a gross misrepresentation. Bush hadn't lost 700,000 jobs in a month at any point of the term until November, after Obama was elected and he was a lame duck president. For Bush's last 3 months, and Obama's first 3 months, we saw the trough of the job market. It wasn't sustainable, and Obama isn't some kind of economic savior for stopping it.

Again, we lost almost 9 million private sector jobs in 2 years. I don't know how much worse you could have possibly expected it to get, unless you expected the entire US economy to fail. This seems to be the way people make a case for Obama. "Pay no attention to what he's actually done... just imagine how much worse it could've been (according to me)". By that logic, praise George W Bush for keeping us all safe. In the very first year of his term, the US suffered its worst ever attack at the hands of foreign enemies. We were hemorrhaging lives (and jobs). If not for Bush, they'd have kept killing us and attacking major American cities. Note: that is ridiculous.

And yes, steady growth beats losses, but what you're not understanding or acknowledging is that our steady growth still has us firmly within the crater of our recession. We're still clawing to get back to where we were in mid-2008 -- something that is inevitable in the aftermath of a recession. That's the way it works. You don't just continue losing jobs forever until there are no jobs left. We already bottomed out. Regaining 1.2 million jobs after losing 8.75 isn't praiseworthy. Citing the 1.2 million and excluding any mention of the 8.75 is disingenuous at best.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're linking me to 400 page spreadsheets. Find your data in there, and get back to me.

Also your original table from wikipedia ends at 2010, you might want to look at it more carefully.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WXhO_-e3bM

[Hailto]

Yeah, learn to read tables first before you make claims, it helps. But hey, at least you have a cute Southpark video :3

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you got colored all wrong Splorf. i'm not saying i agree with these things Obama has done, or even that they are good ideas.

i'm just saying that he did in fact do them. again as i said earlier, hes far from the perfect president. but he's better than Romney would be.

So in my opinion Obama has done everything wrong, and the things I've posted have been major things while your list of things was mostly minor, i.e. letting military people see their families. So it seems you basically agree that Obama has been bad, you just think of Romney as two-timing slime and even worse.

But, lets step back a second. Since Romney has basically promised everything to everyone, what will he do in office? Let's look at Romney's record. He's rescued multiple organizations from bankruptcy and actually invented Obamacare, if you are into that nationalized healthcare thing. If we are comparing records, Romney's is about a million times better. And I prefer to look at what people do rather than what they say.

[Daldolma]

I must be missing something, I don't understand why that video has been linked a half dozen times.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I must be missing something, I don't understand why that video has been linked a half dozen times.

Its what people do when they have no idea what they are talking about, and are proven wrong.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, learn to read tables first before you make claims, it helps. But hey, at least you have a cute Southpark video :3

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WXhO_-e3bM

you are right.... it is 4.2 trillion not 3.5 trillion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._United_States

I don't even know why you are getting so defensive though. That is a lot of money Obama is spending. One of the big things I don't like about him, but he is at least adamant about fixing our corporate tax code which is a travesty in and of itself.

[Rain1]

Loraen, it is about which Romney are we going to see if he is elected? The centrist that he has been in the past (which would be good for America in my opinion)? Or the man who has been espousing tea party, far right garbage? I would hope he would be the centrist, but after hearing him say that essentially 47% of Americans are essentially shit, there is no way he is winning my vote. Sorry, can't trust him personally.