Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

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Ladies and gentlemen… we are witnessing an atomic meltdown!

Indeed, your meltdown has been spectacular. You have been proven wrong so soundly that all you can do is post memes in a futile attempt to hide the data lol. Your post history doesn't lie, people can see the trainwreck that is you being mad[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[Troxx]

My sentiments have not changed since page 76

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Ladies and gentlemen… we are witnessing an atomic meltdown!

Myself and others spent the first 50+ pages of this thread trying to have an honest discussion with actual data. Unfortunately we learned quickly that it was pointless. 420 pages later we have covered precisely 0 ground with captain oblivious.

If nothing else, it has been highly entertaining.

[PlsNoBan]

breathtaking autism

Another day another 5+ pages of DSM being outrageously autistic

[Troxx]

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24 more pages! You can do it!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

24 more pages! You can do it!

You continue to embarass yourself with this glorious meltdown[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You can stop at any time, or provide better data.

Here is the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[PlsNoBan]

The longer this goes on the more I'm convinced there is serious mental illness going on here and I know I shouldn't make fun of it but like... god damn... ya know?

[Toxigen]

literally me irl

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

To answer your questions cyxthryth, it is really quite simple:

Troxx is not the overlord of this forum. He does not get to dictate the precise requirements for how to obtain data, nor does he get to throw out data he disagrees with. He has no evidence to suggest my method would differ from playing in a group. It wouldn't, because the mob stats (HP, AC, Resists, etc.) do not magically change when you group with people.

I have revealed the data and what a Shaman is capable of, but people are stubbornly refusing to believe it because the only thing they can do is play the semantic game of "if you weren't in a group, then the numbers would change". No evidence has been provided for this claim, and it is up to the people making the claim to provide the evidence.

Troxx himself is claiming his own data is bad. Should I not listen to him when he says that?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To answer your questions cyxthryth, it is really quite simple:

Troxx is not the overlord of this forum. He does not get to dictate the precise requirements for how to obtain data, nor does he get to throw out data he disagrees with. He has no evidence to suggest my method would differ from playing in a group. It wouldn't, because the mob stats (HP, AC, Resists, etc.) do not magically change when you group with people.

Troxx did not claim to be overlord, why are you answering that question this way?

He did not dictate how data was obtained, he simply ASKED. Do you know the difference? Why are you unwilling to do what he was willing to do? Other posters have already replied to point out that there is more to killing mobs in a group than "the math of the stats". You may choose to continue to claim that nothing changes when comparing root rotting 1 (or 4, or whatever) mobs vs. a fast-paced, fast-killing DPS group, but your claims would be/will be/will continue to be false for reasons both alluded to and directly stated to you in previous replies on this thread. You may choose to disregard those replies or misconstrue them, but that would seemingly just be you arguing from bad faith - otherwise, why are you doing that?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have revealed the data, but people are stubbornly refusing to believe it because the only thing they can do is play the semantic game of "if you weren't in a group, then the numbers would change". No evidence has been provided for this claim, and it is up to the people making the claim.

The data that you revealed is not equivalent, see above and also refer to the many posts (direct replies to you). You can continue to disregard the posts where others have clearly outright refuted your attempts-at-points or pointed our your goalpost-pushes, but that would seemingly be you arguing from bad faith. Are you?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx himself is claiming his own data is bad. Should I not listen to him when he says that?

Troxx did not claim "his data is bad". What he ACTUALLY claimed is visible in his post history on this thread; viewable by all. Are you arguing from bad faith?