Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[loramin]

I've given you dozens; you just ignore them when they're not the answer you want. That's sort of an encouragement not to give more.

If a poll just says "50 people agreed with X", it could show consensus ... if only a handful of people disagreed with X. A poll with 50 people agreeing to X can also fail to show consensus for X, if there is significant disagreement.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've given you dozens; you just ignore them when they're not the answer you want. That's sort of an encouragement not to give more.

If a poll just says "50 people agreed with X", it could show consensus ... if only a handful of people disagreed with X. A poll with 50 people agreeing to X can also fail to show consensus for X, if there is significant disagreement.

What threshold is needed for you to unilaterally edit the wiki with your own opinion instead of reverting the wiki to it's original state? There was no consensus to remove rankings.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What threshold is needed for you to unilaterally edit the wiki with your own opinion instead of reverting the wiki to it's original state? There was no consensus to remove rankings.

Imo it should remain as loraen intended and if we want to do a different challenge with different rules people can start their own.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo it should remain as loraen intended and if we want to do a different challenge with different rules people can start their own.

I agree. That is what I have been advocating for this entire thread.

[loramin]

You mean these rules ... which have remained unchanged in the wiki through this entire temper tantrum of a thread? I agree.

Now, I did just rename them to "Loraen's" (before they said "Kunark Version"), as I wanted to keep that encyclopedia page vs. named page distinction. But nothing changed.

Loraen's version has remained in the wiki, unchanged, this entire time: it was the (unnamed) "Solo Artist" page that I created to build consensus for a better challenge ... and when it failed to be that, I removed the offending parts.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean these rules ... which have remained unchanged through this entire temper tantrum of a thread? I agree.

Yes. Revert this page: https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

Back to Lorean's ruleset, as no consensus was reached to change the solo artist challenge page by your own standard of consensus. There is no clear majority vote that is like 50 to 1.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. Revert this page: https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

No: you don't get to make the wiki worse for everyone.

Zura is doing great working trying to add Velious mobs to it (ie. the entire reason I made it) ... just not in this dumpster fire of a thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No: you don't get to make the wiki worse for everyone. Zura is doing great working trying to add Velious mobs to it (ie. the entire reason I made it).

He did not add velious mobs to it before, he changed the ranking system without consent. Thats the entire discussion.

You don't get to make worse either.

It is amazing that you just tried to pretend that Zuranthium was simply adding velious mobs in this thread lol.

[Samoht]

I love how people who never had to deal with Lorean are in this thread trying to use his work as some sort of measuring stick when in reality Lorean was terrible at actually seeing beyond the end of his own nose. The SAC was just one of many examples.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how people who never had to deal with Lorean are in this thread trying to use his work as some sort of measuring stick when in reality Lorean was terrible at actually seeing beyond the end of his own nose. The SAC was just one of many examples.

I have to strongly disagree with this. I re-read at least the first fifty pages of that thread recently, and Loraen was an absolute gentleman. There was no DSM-like arguing with everyone who disagreed with him.

To the contrary, several times throughout that thread he considers a poster's disagreement and updates the challenge to be better as a result. It's a perfect example of how consensus is possible, even in this forum.