Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin. Can you please read the thread? The people who started fighting with OP over ranks wasn't me. It was Zuranthium and Samoht. I was defending OP from getting trolled, and OP specifically thanked me for defending him.

How does that make it neutral?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does that make it neutral?

It was neutral for the years it was on the page you created. Two trolls attacked OP and the wiki. That isn't a community agreement that rankings are no longer neutral. That is two trolls defacing the wiki, and they should have been suspended for it. Your failure as a wiki admin caused this mess, as you refused to do your job impartially.

[bcbrown]

I think the wiki page is better without the ranks.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the wiki page is better without the ranks.

I mean, I think it'd be even better if the community could come up with something we all agree on.

Maybe not "ranks", but if not, then "descriptors" of some sort. If soloer #1 has to say "I soloed Froggy with three widgets, four whatzits, 17.5 wort potions, and here's my list of eighteen buffs ...", it's not as easy to share that solo, or compare it with other people's solos.

But if you can say "I soloed Froggy self-buffed, with no potions and weak clickies", and everyone is on the same page, everything is just a bit simpler. And I do think the community can agree on a set of "classifications", because the old ranks were halfway there already.

Plus, with that approach you remove the "you get X solo points for not having Y" element from things, which removes a lot of the need for flame wars. People just need to have objective conversations about which things make sense to be grouped together.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, I think it'd be even better if the community could come up with something we all agree on.

Maybe not "ranks", but if not, then "descriptors" of some sort. If soloer #1 has to say "I soloed Froggy with three widgets, four whatzits, 17.5 wort potions, and here's my list of eighteen buffs ...", it's not as easy to share that solo, or compare it with other people's solos.

But if you can say "I soloed Froggy self-buffed, with no potions and weak clickies", everything is just a bit simpler. And I do think the community can agree on a set of "classifications", because the old ranks were halfway there already.

Plus, with that approach you remove the "you get X solo points for not having Y" element from things, which removes a lot of the need for flame wars. People just need to have objective conversations about which things make sense to be grouped together.

There weren't any flame wars for the years the ranks were on the wiki. Two trolls defaced the wiki, and you are deleting rankings for everyone instead of doing your job and punishing rule breakers.

The problem isn't the rankings. The problem is you can't admit you are wrong, and are coming up with the worst solution for everybody to cover that up.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe not "ranks", but if not, then "descriptors" of some sort.

That's already what the tiers are now. Certain people are just treating them like ranks, instead of the factual categorizations that they are of how someone soloed something.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With that approach you remove the "you get X solo points for not having Y" element from things, which removes a lot of the need for flame wars.

This doesn't exist in the first place. Everyone already gets their God tier kills recognized regardless of how they did it and everyone already gets the same title of Solo Master/Grandmaster/God/Legend.

The entirety of the flame war of this thread is because 2 people are incapable of acknowledging that soloing without outside buffs/consumables is a common way of playing the game and needs to be recognized as its own thing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's already what the tiers are now. Certain people are just treating them like ranks, instead of the factual categorizations that they are of how someone soloed something.



This doesn't exist in the first place. Everyone already gets their God tier kills recognized regardless of how they did it and everyone already gets the same title of Solo Master/Grandmaster/God/Legend.

The entirety of the flame war of this thread is because 2 people are incapable of acknowledging that soloing without outside buffs/consumables is a common way of playing the game and needs to be recognized as its own thing.

Remember when you said nothing is solo unless it is self buffed no consumables? You were claiming OP did not do a solo kill.

Remember when you wrote a fan fic where OP literally gets tortured?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442054

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when you said nothing is solo unless it is self buffed no consumables? You were claiming OP did not do a solo kill.

That's my own personal definition of the word solo and is a different thing than a tier system, which obviously recognizes different variations of soloing.

Too bad this has been said 100 times now and you still fail to comprehend.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe not "ranks", but if not, then "descriptors" of some sort. If soloer #1 has to say "I soloed Froggy with three widgets, four whatzits, 17.5 wort potions, and here's my list of eighteen buffs ...", it's not as easy to share that solo, or compare it with other people's solos.

Yeah, I think standardized descriptors would be way more informative and less controversial. Stryker's right that self-buffed vs outside buffs is vastly different for melee vs casters. I don't think there's any easy or non-controversial way to rank that. But it should be non-controversial and semi-straightforward to categorize the various sorts of ways that make a kill easier or harder.

I also have a general uneasiness with the idea of it being competitive. Whether or not an encounter is trivial for someone playing another class just doesn't factor into whether or not I'm proud of my ability to have successfully killed it solo. Sure, the Ghoul Lord and the Froglok King aren't especially rare solo kills. But I attempted both, had a couple failed attempts, one or two deaths, and in the end soloed both. I'm proud of that and don't care whether anyone else cares.

I tried to solo an Ice Burrower yesterday, made like three attempts, wasn't successful. I'm sure I'll be able to succeed one of these days, and that accomplishment for myself won't be cheapened even if someone else thinks it's trivial because it doesn't summon and can be kited around.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stryker's right that self-buffed vs outside buffs is vastly different for melee vs casters.

Yeah, in Velious gear, casters are at a huge disadvantage.