The Al'Kabor Project (PC/Mac) EQmac - EverQuest done right

[apio]

I'm not running any server. I am merely a player on P2002, mainly known for my epic (c) chain pulls

[Torven]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not running any server. I am merely a player on P2002, mainly known for my epic (c) chain pulls

You were (and may still be) a developer for p2002. Wharhogg was publicly boasting about your enthusiastic use of the editor.

To claim to not be is just yet more dishonesty. The rest of your staff don't even use your usual forum names for your admin accounts.

To spam forum threads advertising your server while claiming to 'just be a user' is shilling.

[Sketched]

It would be really cool to have a single login server and then choose which server you could play on. I don't think the servers should necessarily merge though.

I can understand Torven's frustration. The amount of time and energy he has put into making high quality data sets, data analysis, and coding their implementation has been mind blowing. He has truly helped preserve the accuracy of EQMac's mechanics and database. All for free, for whoever wants to use it. To see another project attempt to devalue and disrespect his work has to be painful.

As to TAKPs server rotations, that was only for Naggy and Vox during classic. So far in Kunark there has been no need for a rotation. The server staff have been much more hands off in terms of raid management, and continue towards a more hands off approach. They have really been good recently in having more open communications with the server population. They are learning best management practices for the server, just as other projects have learned and changed over time.

I really hope that people who have strife with each-other can make progress towards better relationships for the benefit of both projects.

[fryguy503]

My Thoughts on this. I am a player on P2002, but I contribute some minor things to both (Interface work).

I prefer the P2002 database and non-GM Intervention. There is a friendly player base. I assume TAKP also has a friendly player base as most smaller communities tend to have.

Some players will prefer TAKP, Some will Prefer P2002. There will never be a way to merge them, it just is not going to happen at the point. It will need to be accepted. There is no benefit to any of the Mud Slinging and E-Peen measuring that goes on.

P2002 Is Incredibly grateful for for all of the codework that TAKP and the associated developers do. Right now everyone in this thread tends to get defensive and say they have the best server, and guess what. They do... to themselves, which is perfectly acceptable.

Different Strokes, Different Strokes. Some People want P99 Red, Some want GM Managed TAKP, Some Want P2002 and some would rather the world burn and they can go play grab ass.

[apio]

Nobody ever claimed his work as their own. Torven is just angry that the P2002 Devs use the term EQMacEmu instead of his name. Plagiarism is a serious thing, and entirely different from using Open Source code and giving credit where credit is due.

The thing is, it doesn't matter. People on P2002 don't know Torven, he is not a part of our community, he doesn't post there. It doesn't really make a difference to the people playing there if the patch notes have his name in it or not. It is just easier to use the Term EQMACEmu to refer to the entire team (after all that is the GIT name of the project). I am sure Wharhogg would accommodate you and replace EQMACEmu with a full list of your developer's names if that was your wish.

[Torven]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torven is just angry that the P2002 Devs use the term EQMacEmu instead of his name.

I'll repeat myself.

Your post claimed that EVERY patch note credited EQMacEmu, which is incorrect. See http://p2002.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1094

Our dev comments were copied and pasted. No credit given.

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is, it doesn't matter. People on P2002 don't know Torven, he is not a part of our community, he doesn't post there. It doesn't really make a difference to the people playing there if the patch notes have his name in it or not.

That's a ridiculous excuse to not use somebody's name to credit their work. "nobody knows who they are"? really? I'm sure that would fly in a court of law.

Edit: nice ninja edit there. google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

[apio]

I do support the project and wish them a lot of success. I am very happy to spread the word in my free time, even come to these forums and post on their behalf. But that is the extent of my involvement with the project. It is true that I have worked on the Database in the past and I was also initially involved in Velious development, but I basically left after Kunark was done.

There is no reason for me to lie but you are welcome to believe whatever you want. My "spam" usually consists of development updates, but more often than not I have to respond to slander and lies about our server.

It would serve you well to focus all that energy into getting people interested in your own server instead of talking about ours. Nobody here is posting anything negative about TAK

The notion that I am secretly working for P2002 is hilarious BTW. Made my day

[Gimlish]

It's really unfortunate and childish what has happened here. TAK came out first. People in A&H guild were butthurt and didn't like the rule set. So, out of spite - they decided to form another server (P2002), rip off other people's hard work, fracture the EQmac community and population into two servers, instead of one. This is not good in any way, imho.

I'm still pissed about this, it's really just too bad that it happened this way. I wish everyone could be happy in one community / on one server.

Imagine P99 is in it's infancy back in 2009/2010. And I'm sure there were many players who didn't like the ruleset here, or disagreed with the staff at the time (or still do). Were they able to go off and make another server with the same source code in their likeness and rip off the P99 dev's hard work? No. Did the P99 community get fractured from the start? No.

I'm sure if this had been allowed to happen, we all wouldn't have this huge wonderful community here on P99 to enjoy for the past 5 years. But instead, several little slightly different/redundant "classic" EQ servers, competing against each other for more players. And, no I certainly don't think that would have been a better outcome.

TAK is the true EQMac emulator in my opinion, it feels like it, it has the community and support behind it from a lot of the orginal Al'Kabor veterans. Yes, it would be great if we could bring together this splintered community into one server. I honestly have friends on both, and it sucks to have to chose one.

[apio]

Originally Posted by Gimlish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really unfortunate and childish what has happened here. TAK came out first. People in A&H guild were butthurt and didn't like the rule set. So, out of spite - they decided to form another server (P2002), rip off other people's hard work, fracture the EQmac community and population into two servers, instead of one. This is not good in any way, imho.

I'm still pissed about this, it should never have been allowed to happen.

Imagine P99 is in it's infancy back in 2009/2010. And I'm sure there were many players who didn't like the ruleset here, or disagreed with the staff at the time (or still do). Were they able to go off and make another server with the same source code in their likeness and rip off the P99 dev's hard work? No. Did the P99 community get fractured from the start? No.

I'm sure if this had been allowed to happen, we all wouldn't have this huge wonderful community here on P99 to enjoy for the past 5 years. But instead, several little slightly different/redundant "classic" EQ servers, competing against each other for more players. And, no I certainly don't think that would have been a better outcome.

TAK is the true EQMac emulator in my opinion, it feels like it, it has the community and support behind it from a lot of the orginal Al'Kabor veterans. Yes, it would be great if we could bring together this splintered community into one server. I honestly have friends on both, and it sucks to have to chose one.

I disagree. I was there when the split happened. It was pretty clear at that time that TAK would only support a specific way of playing the game. If you weren't interested in a forced rotation, you were told to go make your own server with the open source code.

Thats what happened.

I would also like to point out that a large part of the people who made up ANH at that moment are still playing on TAK. The majority of people left EQEmu altogether and are now playing TLP.

P2002 started out with a core of like 10 to 15 players. There was almost no influx from TAK at that point of time. Like I said most people started playing on Ragefire and Lockjaw. TAK definitely has the higher number of former ANH players than P2002. The majority of our community is made up of former P99 players and it has been like that for a while

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Gimlish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's really unfortunate and childish what has happened here. TAK came out first. People in A&H guild were butthurt and didn't like the rule set. So, out of spite - they decided to form another server (P2002), rip off other people's hard work, fracture the EQmac community and population into two servers, instead of one. This is not good in any way, imho.

I'm still pissed about this, it's really just too bad that it happened this way. I wish everyone could be happy in one community / on one server.

Imagine P99 is in it's infancy back in 2009/2010. And I'm sure there were many players who didn't like the ruleset here, or disagreed with the staff at the time (or still do). Were they able to go off and make another server with the same source code in their likeness and rip off the P99 dev's hard work? No. Did the P99 community get fractured from the start? No.

I'm sure if this had been allowed to happen, we all wouldn't have this huge wonderful community here on P99 to enjoy for the past 5 years. But instead, several little slightly different/redundant "classic" EQ servers, competing against each other for more players. And, no I certainly don't think that would have been a better outcome.

TAK is the true EQMac emulator in my opinion, it feels like it, it has the community and support behind it from a lot of the orginal Al'Kabor veterans. Yes, it would be great if we could bring together this splintered community into one server. I honestly have friends on both, and it sucks to have to chose one.

the above is what a correct opinion looks like. /agree!

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