If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[McMuffins]

I ksed Jews on jesus. Also passion of the Christ was a great movie and very 100 percent how everything happened

[deneauth]

I consider religion a set or moral guidelines for the most part. It's all open to interpretation for a reason. I do not believe in god but I follow my own set of morals. Some coincide with the bible and some don't. Religion is what ever you make of it. some people create schools over it, some eradicate populations because of it and this has been going on for generations before we existed, and will continue on generations after we are all dead. I am suprised this arguement is still going on, we ll know that religious beliefs exist on an individual basis. This thread is like the Honey Boo Boo of religious debate, garbage.

[Alawen]

You're free to believe in giant daddy in the sky, silver alien ask sperm, teleporting Jesus, Satan planted the fossils, or anything else that makes you happy, princess. You can even redefine evidence if you like. Have you met Hasbinbad? He likes to make up his own definitions,.too.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're free to believe in giant daddy in the sky, silver alien ask sperm, teleporting Jesus, Satan planted the fossils, or anything else that makes you happy, princess. You can even redefine evidence if you like. Have you met Hasbinbad? He likes to make up his own definitions,.too.

Believing what you want is fine, until democracy o_o.


“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” --Isaac Asimov

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're free to believe in giant daddy in the sky, silver alien ask sperm, teleporting Jesus, Satan planted the fossils, or anything else that makes you happy, princess. You can even redefine evidence if you like. Have you met Hasbinbad? He likes to make up his own definitions,.too.

Your inability to respect opposing viewpoints is unbecoming. I wonder about your formal education.

But instead of meeting Hasbinbad, I'd love to meet Stephen Hawking. The following is a direct quote from Stephen Hawking:

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."

He even speculates.

"I imagine they might exist in massive ships ... having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.”

Apparently Stephen Hawking is also a wishful thinker, conjuring up his own imagined definitions of evidence. Certainly there is no evidence at all for that line of thought. I wonder if he believes Satan planted the fossils, too, since you've drawn an equivalence between those beliefs.

Wait, wait -- I know. This is an appeal to authority that holds no weight with you. You've got a nice little pseudo intellect troll going. Dismiss all relevant evidence as nonsense, then dismiss expert support for that evidence as appeal to authority. Hurray, anything you don't accept is not only wrong but ludicrous.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your inability to respect opposing viewpoints is unbecoming. I wonder about your formal education.

But instead of meeting Hasbinbad, I'd love to meet Stephen Hawking. The following is a direct quote from Stephen Hawking:

"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."

He even speculates.

"I imagine they might exist in massive ships ... having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach.”

Apparently Stephen Hawking is also a wishful thinker, conjuring up his own imagined definitions of evidence. Certainly there is no evidence at all for that line of thought. I wonder if he believes Satan planted the fossils, too, since you've drawn an equivalence between those beliefs.

Wait, wait -- I know. This is an appeal to authority that holds no weight with you. You've got a nice little pseudo intellect troll going. Dismiss all relevant evidence as nonsense, then dismiss expert support for that evidence as appeal to authority. Hurray, anything you don't accept is not only wrong but ludicrous.

I imagine that they have big spherical ships that look like a small moon; that's too big to be a space station. Wait, I imagine that they have cubes and they assimilate other cultures. Wait, I imagine that they took apart all the planets in their solar system and built a huge ring that revolves around the sun. Wait, I know, they come from another dimension AND THEY WILL TEAR YOUR SOUL APART!

Everyone should believe that there is other life more intelligent than humans because Daldolma says Stephen Hawking says so. And, after all, Stephen Hawking doesn't need degrees related to extra-terrestrial life corresponding to Daldolma's standard in his last series of RnF tantrums even though this is just an extension of those tantrums, because... well, just because.

No one is an expert on the existence of extra-terrestrial life because we have no evidence of extra-terrestrial life to study. Your appeals to authority are completely and utterly fallacious here.

You are blatantly and pathetically trying to make up for me handing you your ass for posting the first paragraph of a Wikipedia entry and trying to pretend you knew what historicity was. No one else will give a fuck if you manage to let it go, but I don't think you can. I think you'll stalk me in RnF for eternity hoping for a chance to be right.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I imagine that they have big spherical ships that look like a small moon; that's too big to be a space station. Wait, I imagine that they have cubes and they assimilate other cultures. Wait, I imagine that they took apart all the planets in their solar system and built a huge ring that revolves around the sun. Wait, I know, they come from another dimension AND THEY WILL TEAR YOUR SOUL APART!

Everyone should believe that there is other life more intelligent than humans because Daldolma says Stephen Hawking says so. And, after all, Stephen Hawking doesn't need degrees related to extra-terrestrial life corresponding to Daldolma's standard in his last series of RnF tantrums even though this is just an extension of those tantrums, because... well, just because.

No one is an expert on the existence of extra-terrestrial life because we have no evidence of extra-terrestrial life to study. Your appeals to authority are completely and utterly fallacious here.

You are blatantly and pathetically trying to make up for me handing you your ass for posting the first paragraph of a Wikipedia entry and trying to pretend you knew what historicity was. No one else will give a fuck if you manage to let it go, but I don't think you can. I think you'll stalk me in RnF for eternity hoping for a chance to be right.

The sad part is that I think you actually believe the above. Alawen, I have no interest in stalking you. No interest in continually proving you to be on the wrong side of every serious scholarly discussion of the things you profess so assuredly.

I just think you're a buffoon. I think you condescendingly dismiss anything you don't agree with. I think you're a frustrated child that believes his way is the right way, and all other ways are absurd. And I think your pseudo intellect needs to be exposed for what it is. When you attack Hasbinbad for being, well, reasonable -- he deserves a defense.

Your new argument is that believing intelligent extraterrestrial life exists is based on wishful thinking, not evidence. You mock those who disagree with accusations of illogic and magical thinking, equating such a belief with the belief that Satan implanted the fossil record. And yet, many disagree. It appeared HBB disagreed. I disagree. Stephen Hawking disagrees. Hawking says that a belief in extraterrestrials can be based on mathematics and reason. Not surprisingly, you think Stephen Hawking is ludicrous. Please: set him straight, Alawen.

For the record, the evidence is this: there are (estimated) sextillions of habitable planets comparable to Earth throughout the universe. We don't understand exactly how life began on Earth -- we have no idea whether or not the same process could have occurred elsewhere. We have no reason to believe that Earth is (or isn't) atypical in this regard. But if you believe that there is no intelligent extraterrestrial life, it requires a belief that Earth is unique. That within a solar system of 1 star, within a galaxy of 200-400 billion stars, within a universe of 100 billion galaxies, over the course of 13 billion years, Earth is the only planet that has ever sustained intelligent life.

Is that possible? Yes, certainly. Is it ludicrous to believe? Of course not. Is the converse possible? Yes, certainly. Is the converse ludicrous to believe? Of course not.

For some reason, you struggle with this. You like to create a false dichotomy, where something is either definitely true or there's absolutely no reason to believe it to be true, and if there's no reason to believe it to be true, anyone who does believe it to be true is ludicrous. The problem is nuance. There is reason to believe there is intelligent extraterrestrial life. There is also reason to believe there isn't. You don't seem capable of processing both strains of logic at the same time. I'm not sure I can think of a more damning shortcoming for a supposed intellect.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The sad part is that I think you actually believe the above. Alawen, I have no interest in stalking you. No interest in continually proving you to be on the wrong side of every serious scholarly discussion of the things you profess so assuredly.

I just think you're a buffoon. I think you condescendingly dismiss anything you don't agree with. I think you're a frustrated child that believes his way is the right way, and all other ways are absurd. And I think your pseudo intellect needs to be exposed for what it is. When you attack Hasbinbad for being, well, reasonable -- he deserves a defense.

Your new argument is that believing intelligent extraterrestrial life exists is based on wishful thinking, not evidence. You mock those who disagree with accusations of illogic and magical thinking, equating such a belief with the belief that Satan implanted the fossil record. And yet, many disagree. It appeared HBB disagreed. I disagree. Stephen Hawking disagrees. Hawking says that a belief in extraterrestrials can be based on mathematics and reason. Not surprisingly, you think Stephen Hawking is ludicrous. Please: set him straight, Alawen.

For the record, the evidence is this: there are (estimated) sextillions of habitable planets comparable to Earth throughout the universe. We don't understand exactly how life began on Earth -- we have no idea whether or not the same process could have occurred elsewhere. We have no reason to believe that Earth is (or isn't) atypical in this regard. But if you believe that there is no intelligent extraterrestrial life, it requires a belief that Earth is unique. That within a solar system of 1 star, within a galaxy of 200-400 billion stars, within a universe of 100 billion galaxies, over the course of 13 billion years, Earth is the only planet that has ever sustained intelligent life.

Is that possible? Yes, certainly. Is it ludicrous to believe? Of course not. Is the converse possible? Yes, certainly. Is the converse ludicrous to believe? Of course not.

For some reason, you struggle with this. You like to create a false dichotomy, where something is either definitely true or there's absolutely no reason to believe it to be true, and if there's no reason to believe it to be true, anyone who does believe it to be true is ludicrous. The problem is nuance. There is reason to believe there is intelligent extraterrestrial life. There is also reason to believe there isn't. You don't seem capable of processing both strains of logic at the same time. I'm not sure I can think of a more damning shortcoming for a supposed intellect.

Gosh, you're right. How could I have been so wrong about everything? Thank you for defending Hasbinbad and the other good people of Project 1999 forums rants and flames and showing me the error of my ways. I'll give this some careful thought and try to correct my shortcomings. Maybe I should just avoid serious scholarly discussion; my education is probably inadequate for responsible participation.

Don't give up on me, Daldolma.

Your friend,
Alawen Everywhere

[JerSar]

I like how we all quote from books. Pics or gtfo.

[deneauth]

So what is your expert opinion?