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you're both idiots.
neolibs are still the super majority and the right projects zoom zoom brainrot unto everyone over the age of 30 not pro RWDS to the problem of 18-25 year olds being shockingly retarded
"can you explain the divide and internal conflicts between the neoliberal vs progressives on issues like foreign policy and others"
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The divide between neoliberals and progressives often stems from differences in their underlying philosophies, priorities, and approaches to major issues, including foreign policy, economics, and social justice. Here’s a breakdown of the key conflicts between these two groups:
1. Foreign Policy
Neoliberals:
Neoliberals typically favor a more interventionist foreign policy. They advocate for using military and economic power to promote liberal democracy, free markets, and human rights abroad. This approach often aligns with supporting NATO, maintaining a strong military presence globally, and engaging in trade agreements that expand Western influence.
Criticism from progressives: Neoliberal interventions, such as the Iraq War or the war in Afghanistan, are seen as perpetuating endless wars, imperialism, and destabilizing other nations for strategic or economic gains.
Progressives:
Progressives lean towards anti-interventionism. They often criticize U.S. foreign policy as being overly militaristic and driven by corporate and defense industry interests. Instead, they prioritize diplomacy, humanitarian aid, and addressing global issues like climate change and inequality.
Neoliberal critique: Neoliberals argue that a hands-off approach could embolden authoritarian regimes and allow other powers like China or Russia to dominate geopolitics.
2. Economics
Neoliberals:
Neoliberalism emphasizes free markets, globalization, and private-sector solutions. Policies often include deregulation, privatization, and trade liberalization. Neoliberals tend to support market-oriented solutions to social problems, such as using carbon markets to combat climate change.
Criticism from progressives: Progressives see this economic model as fostering inequality, prioritizing corporate interests over workers, and failing to address systemic issues like poverty and climate justice.
Progressives:
Progressives advocate for redistributive policies, such as wealth taxes, universal healthcare, and a Green New Deal. They emphasize government intervention to ensure equity, economic justice, and sustainability.
Neoliberal critique: Neoliberals often argue that progressive policies are impractical, economically unsustainable, and risk stifling innovation and investment.
3. Climate Change
Neoliberals:
Neoliberals favor market-based solutions like carbon trading and public-private partnerships. They often see technological innovation and corporate leadership as key to addressing climate challenges.
Criticism from progressives: Progressives argue that neoliberal approaches fail to address the scale of the crisis, relying too heavily on the market and voluntary action.
Progressives:
Progressives advocate for large-scale government intervention, like a Green New Deal, which includes massive public investment in renewable energy, infrastructure, and job creation. They view climate change as an issue tied to systemic inequality and demand transformative solutions.
Neoliberal critique: Neoliberals worry that progressive approaches could disrupt economies and create inefficiencies without necessarily achieving the desired outcomes.
4. Social Issues
Neoliberals:
Neoliberals generally support incremental change within existing systems. They might back measures like corporate diversity initiatives or moderate criminal justice reforms while avoiding proposals that fundamentally alter the system.
Criticism from progressives: Progressives see these efforts as insufficient and often accuse neoliberals of "virtue signaling" without committing to systemic change.
Progressives:
Progressives push for transformative changes, such as defunding the police, abolishing student debt, and dismantling systemic racism through reparations and structural reforms.
Neoliberal critique: Neoliberals argue that progressive demands are too radical, divisive, or impractical for widespread political support.
5. Healthcare
Neoliberals:
Neoliberals may support reforms like expanding the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or creating a public option, maintaining a mix of private and public healthcare systems.
Criticism from progressives: These measures are viewed as half-measures that still leave millions uninsured and healthcare tied to profit motives.
Progressives:
Progressives demand universal healthcare, such as Medicare for All, seeing it as a moral and economic necessity.
Neoliberal critique: Neoliberals claim such systems could lead to inefficiencies, increased government debt, and longer wait times for services.
6. Political Strategy
Neoliberals:
Neoliberals often prioritize electability and compromise, favoring centrist candidates who appeal to a broad spectrum of voters. They argue that winning elections is paramount, even if it means moderating positions.
Criticism from progressives: Progressives argue that this pragmatism dilutes bold visions for change, leading to a stagnant status quo that alienates grassroots movements and younger voters.
Progressives:
Progressives focus on grassroots mobilization, challenging corporate influence in politics, and supporting candidates who align with their values, even if they are less "electable" by conventional standards.
Neoliberal critique: Neoliberals see this approach as idealistic and potentially self-defeating, splitting the left and enabling conservative victories.
Summary
At its core, the divide is about the pace, scale, and methods of change. Neoliberals are more pragmatic and market-oriented, focusing on stability and incremental progress, while progressives push for transformative change, prioritizing equity, sustainability, and systemic reform. Both sides often agree on overarching goals like combating inequality or climate change but differ sharply on how to achieve them, reflecting broader tensions between maintaining the status quo and challenging it outright.
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the only reason the game works at all is we don't have rank voting. progressives would be ranked down with the green/communist parties like in all the countries that actually have rank choice / Parliamentary democracy systems
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