A Word of Warning to the New (and Naive)

[August]

Originally Posted by Systolic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ALERT: Tin foil hat ON



This is one of the responses to my petition. I wont mention the GM who said this to me but I thought that the bolded portion was important. The guides/GMs obviously see the accounts as having value of some sort, so for them to have the idea that accounts have value but at the same time don't condone the sale of them logically implies that they have a direct bearing in the values of said accounts.

I don't have any hard evidence to prove that guides/gms might potentially involved in RMT themselves, but sentences like that can only make one wonder. It would also make sense for them to be opposed to account selling in this case because then any money potentially made (or platinum) would be filtered through the community.

This is all just a theory, but since I am quitting the server due to the attitudes of the leaders of the community, I figured I would at least share my thoughts...

One last little idea: What better way to make money than to monopolize it? If a currency has an real world exchange rate, if one (like an admin of some kind) could create their own currency, then not only could that person control the exchange rate, they could also have an unlimited real-world cash flow.

You're really stretching an argument thin here. Because the GM said that the account had value you are going on to say that the GMs are behind a RMT conspiracy to monopolize accounts and turn that into real life dough? I would gladly say my account has 'value' - it's a 60 enc missing 3 spells. It has sentimental value, it has in-game value, it has platinum value, hell it has a more intangible value called prestige - but that doesn't mean that to me it has real money value.

[Systolic]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I find it laughable when people make this point.

In 1999/2000, if you went to Ebay and typed "Everquest accounts" it was bursting with accounts. SoE was super shy on the banhammer; its a different beast when you ban people that are paying you $15 a month. The only dif was the fact people didnt talk about account sales publicly, so to say account sales weren't classic is flat out wrong.

Yes, the fact that people aren't paying for this service already makes it an entirely different experience from the original EQ.

It was 9.95 a month when it first came out, and you can bet your ass I was on the game ALL the time, so as to get my money's worth, even if I was just sitting on the newb log in Nektulos helping new players kill Leatherfoots.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I find it laughable when people make this point.

In 1999/2000, if you went to Ebay and typed "Everquest accounts" it was bursting with accounts. SoE was super shy on the banhammer; its a different beast when you ban people that are paying you $15 a month. The only dif was the fact people didnt talk about account sales publicly, so to say account sales weren't classic is flat out wrong.

Yeah ebay was full of accounts for sale in the day. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Uggme]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I find it laughable when people make this point.

In 1999/2000, if you went to Ebay and typed "Everquest accounts" it was bursting with accounts. SoE was super shy on the banhammer; its a different beast when you ban people that are paying you $15 a month. The only dif was the fact people didnt talk about account sales publicly, so to say account sales weren't classic is flat out wrong.

You just confirmed that the buying and selling of accounts was not condoned nor allowed by Verant. thus, still showing that a rule-abiding player in 1999-2000 would never even consider it as a option.

The fact that you could ebay search accounts back in 1999 is actually pretty moot. It's prety common knowledge that nearly everything is for sale for the right price. That doesn't make it right to sell everything. You might actually recall that less than 200 years ago people were for sale here in the United States.

Seeing as this server seeks to recreate a classic experience, they should do eveything in thier power to stop it - which apparently isn't much atm. But at least there is some effort being put into it.

[Systolic]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're really stretching an argument thin here. Because the GM said that the account had value you are going on to say that the GMs are behind a RMT conspiracy to monopolize accounts and turn that into real life dough? I would gladly say my account has 'value' - it's a 60 enc missing 3 spells. It has sentimental value, it has in-game value, it has platinum value, hell it has a more intangible value called prestige - but that doesn't mean that to me it has real money value.

It all goes back to platinum (which is clearly directly linked to RMT)

sentimental value is less likely to exist for someone who purchased an account outright.
In-game value is directly correlated to platinum value
Platinum value speaks for itself
Prestige is linked to gear, which is linked to the platinum value of the account.

I'm sure that in WoW the original Leroyjenkins account could sell for $10,000 if someone wanted it to, but there no accounts with that kind of 'prestige' on this server.

Since platinum is the primary exchange option for real world cash, then everything you have mentioned (save sentimental value) can be traced back to platinu, which can be traced back to RMT.

Like I said, its only a theory, but its just extremely odd to me that the GMs take such a hard stance on something that may not be breaking any rules in any way. they frown upon account buying, that doesn't mean you get banned for it. If you're dubious to an NPC, they don't attack you. Furthermore, my friends' account isn't banned. My baby account isn't banned, and chtulu's other account isn't banned.

Something just doesn't add up.

[Systolic]

My logic is that if they are trying to stop cheaters, and they have determined that SOMEONE is a cheater.. they banned one single account related to cheating and whoever of the people involved was cheating is still able to have access to the game... and I took the brunt of it despite the fact that I did nothing wrong within the game, despite whatever ambiguous rule is in place about enforcing the sale of accounts, and the person who committed the crime so to speak is still out in the wild.

What happened to me is the equivalent of being arrested for being on camera when someone else robbed a grocery store.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, yeah according to you, due to your experiences so far on the server. Many of us have done that 100x now and want a legitimate and fair chance at the raid scene, unencumbered by arbitrary rules and mechanics that clearly favor one party.

I can see why people want to go kill big, ugly, nasty, scary Dragons. But what gear do you not have that still drops in this game is going to make that big of a difference to your toon playing.

Your telling me you can't go loot Fungi's. FBSS's, T Staff's etc to sell and buy shit TMO has for sale in the tunnel. Hell I would bet TMO might even let you join them if you are willing to Poopsock, Track and Batphone as a noob in the guild till your ass falls off like they make new people do. Sounds like you want to be casual and still get Pixels. I admit, I am too lazy to do it. And been there done that.

Hell do like Sirken said. Round up the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th guilds and you can be the Leader and kick TMO the hell off the server like IB. Tell TMO all they get is Lady Vox. De-level or eat shit. Now that is a plan. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is interested in becoming the new King of Shit. The server is now more interested in removing this completely arbitrary Shit that has been foisted upon us in the form of Variance.

I agree with you Slave. Just screwing with you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But the Gm's just don't seem to want to change it. So like they say if you can't defeat them join them. Make it like the Red Server is. 75% of the people in one guild.

[Wudan]

Originally Posted by Systolic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't sell the account. I sold his gear and put that plat towards gearing out the characters on the account I bought.

Are you dumb or trolling? The point is you bought the account, which makes you a loser and part of the account trading problem this server has. Im glad you got banned, maybe some people will think twice before trading/buying accounts.

You all account buying idiots are jest feeding rmt operation. Its not the gear they are making most money on. It is PLing the crap out of new toons and selling them to lazy morons like yourself.

Your actions are detrimental to this server

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Uggme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are no legitimate account sellers. Every single one is walking a very narrow line regarding the rules of the server. All it takes is a means to PUNISH what you are doing to make the whole thing a bannable offence. So yea, You all have bad raps due to the innately underhanded nature of the transactions you process.

Secondly, Your opinion on leveling and playing the game is concerning and revealing at the same time. The journey through classic EQ, and playing through it (read: leveling up in it) is exactly why this server is about. If you are not having fun doing that, then you might want to try a different game or MMO. There are plenty out there with Micro-transaction models which have built in means to skip content and level faster.

Go play those.

I'm doing everything within legal rules on this server. The day they make account selling illegal then i will stop. But until then there is plat to be made buying/selling accounts. I'm sorry you don't get to experience all parts of the game such as the economy aspects of it. Your the same person i talked to in EC a month ago when you were bitching in OOC cause TMO was selling raid loots. Just as i have been told when it comes to rotation's "Thats not how it was on every server" so your experiences with guilds selling raid loots or people selling accounts(it was bannable on live but yet tons still did it) isnt classic. Well its not classic for me with varience or guilds just being douches for that matter when it comes to raid mobs. To each their own. I'll continue to flip accounts til i'm not allowed then i will sit back and watch the economy erupt with inflation and the pop go down because no one wants to level up new toons because they just cant buy a higher level toon.