Couple Questions From A Potential New Player

[Dirtnap]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's called a strawman. In reality you are bitching that not everyone on the server thinks that you are at the center of universe. Which we are calling you out on.

I don't think I'm the center of the universe, I just don't see why everyone tries to sugar coat the community to new players. They should know exactly what they are getting into.

EDIT: I just hope that new players will see enough posts to realize that this server is not what is marketed by the majority of the forum. They can hopefully avoid being indoctrinated into believing everyone on the server has your best interest at heart.

You know, maybe thats why so many new players get scammed these days. Sunshine and rainbows don't steal all your platinum.

[Splorf22]

Honestly I think you are just trolling me (and fairly successfully) at this point. No one is this dumb.

[Dirtnap]

Apparently I am that dumb. Being on this server since launch has kept me from being blind to what it is. Been playing here off and on for 5 years, and it used to be what is being said now. But it is far from what it once was.

EDIT: Who else remembers the old guildlaunch forum?

http://classicbetatest.guildlaunch.c....php?gid=62867

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You confirmed a couple of the things I have said with this post. Mainly that if you don't play one of the "essential" classes, don't expect to get groups. Also, don't expect anyone to be nice to you if you don't play one of the "essential" classes.

Straight up shunning people because their class isn't "essential" is pretty far from a good community in my opinion.

What happened to inviting people to groups based on how well they play, and not based on if they are twinked or based on their class?

Bolded all the parts where I laughed reading this.

Show me one post on this forum where someone tells a new player that they will get fawned over and showered with group offers if they roll a ranger. I double dog dare you.

Fact is, you picked a bad class, a class that is predisposed to having the hardest time progressing in this game and now are saying that because people are passing over you they aren't "nice" and that this server isn't living up to some idealized utopia that only you have managed to hear about.

The things you are complaining about have nothing to do with the general demeanor of the playerbase of this server, which despite all your trolling is FAR more amicable than any post-WoW MMO in existence that I've ever played.

[Shilver]

Honestly, from a new player to EQ1 all together...not really seeing all roses and tulips within this community like it was so highly touted in the "good ole days". Maybe it's because I'm an Iksar SK so my XP penalty is seemily impossible to group with, but man a response like "nty" when I'm leveling in the same zone would be fine with me rather then ignoring me and still fighting mobs. Whatever I'll do trial by fair like a real Iksar SK would have to go through.

Maybe I just don't fit into this hardcore EQ crowd either, but these forums seem hard to get a gauge on too.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Shilver [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, from a new player to EQ1 all together...not really seeing all roses and tulips within this community like it was so highly touted in the "good ole days". Maybe it's because I'm an Iksar SK so my XP penalty is seemily impossible to group with, but man a response like "nty" when I'm leveling in the same zone would be fine with me rather then ignoring me and still fighting mobs. Whatever I'll do trial by fair like a real Iksar SK would have to go through.

Maybe I just don't fit into this hardcore EQ crowd either, but these forums seem hard to get a gauge on too.

Tanks are one of the more difficult classes to find leveling, that puts you at a considerable advantage right off the bat. You need to prioritize finding a cleric that plays at the same time as you and becoming BFFs with them. From there you can add whoever you want to the group and they have no say over your XP penalty. You run the show. Heck, you can even offer a group spot to poor, groupless Dirtnap. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I'm hearing from a lot of people here is "I can't find groups, therefor this server's community isn't great." and I think that's a load of junk. Just a couple of weeks ago I was a part of a bunch of people from random guilds coming together and helping a more casual/unguilded monk finish a major fight for his epic all of whom refusing a happily offered payment to do so. That's just one example of stuff like that happening on this server. No matter what your class is, not being able to find a group means YOU aren't doing enough work. I've gotten plenty of groups on my wizard a class that offers almost nothing in the way of functionality to grindy pick up group full of rogue twinks with Ragebringers.

Sure there are going to be some people who complain about XP penalties, and for what it's worth I think they're overly punishing and unfair to some classes that already have identity problems but I personally have NEVER turned someone away from a group because of them. If a class will make my group better I will invite them. That's the way it has been while leveling up all 4 of my characters so far.

[Shilver]

I never said because I can't find groups that it makes the community not great. Not just smelling the perfume here. Obviously it's my problem because I picked a gimped class to begin with in an area where people are trying to level up as fast as they can.

Just not seeing a tremendous community as advertised...it's a normal MMO community that seems to be based on groups of other hardcore EQ players that know each other/what to do. Not really a place I fit into. Yet.

[LiQuid]

I just looked you up and no offense but you're only level 4. I'm not sure how you can expect to have any sense of the in-game community or your use to a group at that level. Soloing to about level 10-12 is the norm for almost all classes in this game, especially iksars who have the benefit of having the best newbie zones in the game.

The class you picked isn't the problem. Once you get to a level where it makes any amount of sense to group (like level 12ish in Kurn's) you should do well with yourself and a healer.

I guess I don't have any sense of what you're expecting as opposed to what you've experienced so far. Obviously the server is old and that has made it topheavy. You won't get that "new server smell" of logging in and seeing a newbie zone full of actual brand spanking new players after content has been stagnant for this many years.

[Shilver]

I've played 3 characters to level 4/5 and deleted them because I didn't like the class/race/starting area. I do gotta admit I had a really cool guy I grouped with when I was a Barbarian Shaman.

I'm drinking and I make stupid posts sometimes. Just ignore me.

[Splorf22]

Some people have this expectation that they can boot up EQ, log on, type /lfg on, wait 5 minutes, and be whisked away to the xp group of their choice. Unfortunately it does not work that way. You may have to start a group - try /w all lfg 20 30 (or an appropriate variant for your level). Your pickup group may have an unconventional class combination, like a main healing paladin or a tanking bard or a pulling necromancer - to me those are the most fun ones. Obviously if you play a better grouping class you'll get more random tells while LFG, but when I leveled up Loraen there would be times when I would go an hour or two without any tells, and I hear the same thing from clerics. Sometimes you'll have to wait, and sometimes you may just have to do something else.

Obviously the best thing to do is join a guild and/or make some friends. Which is the whole point of the game really. If The A-Team dissolved I might even stop playing simply because I think we have some of the most fun people on the server. Of course you are going to have trouble with this if you spend all your time whining about how DruidX didn't give you buffs and GroupY didn't respect some imaginary list and PlayerZ doesn't like to group with 68% XP penalty hybrids. No one is claiming that P1999 is filled with saints (lord knows the high end is brutal enough) but neither is it filled with thousands of greedy assholes. People like Davardo and Dirtnap have gargantuan entitlement complexes nourished by the 'YOU ARE SPECIAL' culture we have now.

P.S. Rangers are a legitimately mediocre class. But Paladins and Shadowknights are very solid. When I was leveling an Enchanter I preferred them because they were much better at a) breaking mez and b) getting aggro quickly on tough mobs so I could get them tashed and slowed. When I grouped with Warriors (unless they had really nice weapons) I was the real tank [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] And Bards are simply fantastic and one of the best and most powerful classes in the game. Bard and Enchanter are the two classes that can singlehandedly make an otherwise mediocre group excellent.