Going to Prison...hopefully Velious will be released when I return.

[SNIPERS]

I've come to grips with the reality and I actually feel pretty lucky with my plea. 18 months is nothing compared to 5+ years.

My self-surrender is on 9/23 and my parole officer is being a real douche so all I can really do now is play some eq and read some books.

[Pringles]

Originally Posted by abacab-winner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll give you some rules:

#1 people in there are not your friend, if someone is overly friendly the moment you hit the block don't trust him, keep your distance and your guard up; he's trying to sucker you into following him somewhere (to play cards, his bunk to show you something etc.) he's trying to lure you away from CO's and security cameras so him and his pals can shake you down for commissary money.

Point blank, you don't want a couple dudes beating the shit out of you to get your book money.

#2 Force rules here, if someone's starts shit you best be the one that finishes it; it doesn't matter if knocking some dude out will get you sent to the hole or revokes your privileges, 90-days in solitary is much better than that one inmate telling a hundred others that you're a bitch/punk/pussy because if they sense any weakness from you then your next 18 months will be decided by whoever decides to fuck with you the most.

#3 When eating never eat in the center of the room, as you can be attacked from all sides, try to get a table near a wall.

#4 Don't talk any shit, don't brag about anything; keep your head down and only be cordial if you have to.

#5 Don't talk about any personal shit, like where you're from or who you're related to; lie if you have to because people on the inside have people on the outside and if they really want to extort you they can and will go after your friends and family.

#6 When buying commissary only buy what you think you need for the week, if you hard and buy a shit ton of soda, candy, ramen etc. then you're making yourself a target for robbery and extortion; remember you're sharing your cell with criminals so don't just leave property around or show these other criminals that you have money.

#7 Stick with your own race, prison is racist as shit and if you're a white dude and you're talking to some latino or some black rather frequently you make yourself out to be a target by racially-influenced gangs; in short stick with your own skin color to avoid an ass raping by the Aryans.

#8 Spend as much time in your cell working out and reading, less time out n the block = less chance of making enemies or getting caught up in shit.

#9 On the yard occupy yourself as much as possible, show that you're physically strong, if you sit around talking and looking like a stick you then become a target; people are less likely to jump you if you look "tough" as opposed to some lanky nerd.

#10 Don't tell on anybody period, even if it's the most minor of things like an inmate sneaking cigarettes; you tell anyone else or god forbid a C.O then you're in trouble pal.

Someones watched prison break / orange is the new black / shawshank redemption. Good job.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by abacab-winner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I support breaking unjust laws and if jurors knew what nullification is and applied it in terms of unjust laws it'd be no problem.

You support breaking unjust laws? I have 0 sympathy for you and your kind. Breaking unjust laws is more "wrong" morally than the unjust law existing in the first place.

Repeal/change them peacefully, slowly, and legally (See the way Marijuana is headed) the way the system is intended to operate. If you don't like that route people can move to wear that law has no mandate.

Simply breaking them because you think they are "unjust" is wrong and people that do deserve punishment.

Jury nullifications haven't really been a thing in American since the 19th century, they are virtually obselete.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by SNIPERS [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I respect your opinion and each man is entitled to their own. Its easy to make a quick judgement about the majority of 'criminals' when you haven't walked a pair in their shoes. Maybe you are living a normal life, had money for an education, and have a normal job...that's how your story goes. I'm not making excuses for myself or anyone else. I am responsible for my actions and knew of the consequences, but not everyone was dealt the same hand and sometimes people have to make something out of a forced hand. Also maybe you never tasted easy money before and how easy it is to get caught up in it. Yes the majority of the 'criminals' are uneducated by society's standards, but that doesn't make them Shitheads. Half the criminals in prison are decent people who just made a mistake and have to pay...least thats what I think I am.

For clarifications sake; I was saying that people that break the law and then blame the system rather than owning up to it are the shitheads, in reference to Gaffin's "Real society" bullshit.

As far as my personal background is concerned, I despise criminals for the very fact I came up from being very poor and saw many around me turn to a life of crime while I stayed on the straight and narrow and did things the right way.

Those "forced hand"s your describing is usually just people being lazy, or as you said going after the "easy money" instead of putting real work in.

Given my own background I will never have any respect for the individuals that take the easy/quick way out.

Nobodies perfect, but when people decide to take "the easy money" when they know its wrong and it's breaking laws and then they try to justify it via having a "forced hand" or not being born rich, those are exactly the type of people I'm calling shitheads.

EDIT: For even more clarification, you don't sound like a shithead. Gaffin/jonny lawbreaker abacab are the ones that sound like shit heads, but everyone already knows they are. Kinda sad when you can tell someones character simply by the way they act on a video game.. eh Bouncer?

[Raavak]

Kick someone's ass the first day, or become someone's bitch.

[FoxxHound]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kill someone's ass the first day, or become someone's bitch.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You support breaking unjust laws? I have 0 sympathy for you and your kind. Breaking unjust laws is more "wrong" morally than the unjust law existing in the first place.

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Mahatma Gandhi would disagree with you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

hell, so would America's forefathers.

Boston Tea Party, anyone?

[pharmakos]

The Role of Civil Disobedience in Democracy

Civil Disobedience is the act of disobeying a law on grounds of moral or political principle. It is an attempt to influence society to accept a dissenting point of view. Although it usually uses tactics of nonviolence, it is more than mere passive resistance since it often takes active forms such as illegal street demonstrations or peaceful occupations of premises. The classic treatise on this topic is Henry David Thoreau's "On the Duty of Civil Disobedience," which states that when a person's conscience and the laws clash, that person must follow his or her conscience. The stress on personal conscience and on the need to act now rather than to wait for legal change are recurring elements in civil disobedience movements. The U.S. Bill of Rights asserts that the authority of a government is derived from the consent of the governed, and whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the right and duty of the people to alter or abolish it.

[Silent]

All depends where you are headed really, I got lucky and was basically alone in a cell and never had to come in contact with any other inmates but I was in a locked down wing even though I was a month into my 18th birthday the other people around were all big ass tuff mexicans like 6'5 270 was funny since I was like 5'10 130 at the time. But I didn't have to do anywhere near 18 months let alone 5+ years. My buddy wasn't a minor at the time and got 7 years in federal, Got beatup/stabbed and was then transferred from federal near LA to allentown PA prison for the rest of his 5 years which he said was pretty comfy since its like a lesser security/hospital type place he was housed in.

[mtb tripper]

thats a trip