Rules Lawyers

[Derubael]

Not going to lie, I just briefly skimmed this thread, but thought I'd clarify -

If you leave a spawn up for 5 mins, someone absolutely has a right to come in and take the camp from you - and I'd rule in their favor if someone petitioned.


I'm sorry this situation frustrated you so much. We've all been there more than a few times. Just remember that it's only a game, and go get some AC sleeves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Robdukes]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not going to lie, I just briefly skimmed this thread, but thought I'd clarify -

if you're sitting afk at a camp for 5 mins when its not popped, someone absolutely has a right to come in and take the camp from you
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So If you do what alot of people do and clear a camp then sit down and watch some netflix and glance at the monitor occasionally while keeping an eye on your timer..then someone shows up 1 minute after you clear camp and you don't notice then they can petition you after waiting 5 minutes in the shadows and take your camp.

Seems like this can be abused very easily.

Do they have to have AFK up and not answer to many tells? or is AFK just assumed because someone didn't answer 1 message? Where is the line drawn. Why not wait until the mob pops then see if the guy is actually AFK or just anti-social or has a youtube window blocking his chat window and watching for mob to spawn above that.

Not a big deal to me because I don't AFK a camp I care about keeping but still.

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by Robdukes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like this can be abused very easily.

Do they have to have AFK up and not answer to many tells? or is AFK just assumed because someone didn't answer 1 message? Where is the line drawn. Why not wait until the mob pops then see if the guy is actually AFK or just anti-social or has a youtube window blocking his chat window and watching for mob to spawn above that.

Not a big deal to me because I don't AFK a camp I care about keeping but still.

This is a really excellent point. I'll constantly go solo with a character and bust out some college homework or watch videos (re watching all of Babylon 5 at the moment) in between spawns. I'll adjust my windows so that I see the last 2 lines of chat text unobstructed, as well as have the spawn point clear on my monitor but...

Should I always expect the other players to play the same way I do? Is it required that they constantly be checking their chat window for /tells & camp checks?

In a dungeon environment, it's probably the right thing to do. Or at a camp like an AC spawn site. But what are the clear requirements?

[Derubael]

From camps, defined:

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

*Example* You are doing Ghoul Magi, Lord, and Frenzy in lguk. Another group arrives to claim a camp. If they stumble upon a spawned room devoid of players, they can claim it. Where your group resides is your camp; choose wisely.

2. Just because you know the timer a mob's spawn does NOT mean you are entitled to the camp. Examples include Ishva mal, Estrella, and Undertow. I have seen too many threads about ishva mal in particular where there is a person there at the camp and someone comes and either KS's the spawn or charms the mob to bring it somewhere else etc claiming it was theirs due to it being on timer. If you are trying to timer a spawn and you arrive and someone else is there, too bad, you should have been there earlier.

3. The efreeti spawn kind of covers both of these situations, with this camp in particular if you are not at the spawn and another group arrives, you lose it.

4. In order to hold a camp, the player or group must be able to demonstrate the ability to hold the camp without further help.
*Example* An enchanter and lvl 40 ranger are in a group. The enchanter leaves to go kill frenzy and the ranger stay at lord. In this instance both camps are not considered held as the ranger could not survive this camp on his own without the enchanter.

6. AFK camping is not respected and is frowned upon, if caught afk camping you will be booted to the character select screen.

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**EDIT**

I stand corrected:

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

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[happyhappy]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not going to lie, I just briefly skimmed this thread, but thought I'd clarify -

If you leave a spawn up for 5 mins, or if you're sitting afk at a camp for 5 mins when its not popped, someone absolutely has a right to come in and take the camp from you - and I'd rule in their favor if someone petitioned.

Is it a dick move? Sure, I'd say it definitely could be, particularly if you'd been camping it for hours and they knew that - they still have the right to take the camp. That's how it worked on live, that's how it works here.

I'm sorry this situation frustrated you so much. We've all been there more than a few times. Just remember that it's only a game, and go get some AC sleeves [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, you should have the rights to choose what camp you want to retain if you are doing more than 1 when competition arrives. No one should be able to "ninja-camp" your spawns because the situation changed while your gone. I'd say there is definitely a time limit to this.. like respawns, you need to be back in there.

The original post "empty room" should read "room devoid of players", I can see how that is confusing.

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Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AFK camping ... means letting your pet kill something, over and over, while you are afk. This is frowned upon.

AFKing between spawns on a 16 minute camp? Not afk camping..

[Thulack]

No reason anyone should have to sit staring at a screen for 12-30 mins depending on respawns just to keep some asshat from taking your camp. It's purely a dick move to move in on someone elses camp if mobs are down period.

[Kushie]

I hate that lawyer bullshit. I had a Necro from Taken named Gibinionneth come up to Nobles the other day and ask if it was camped. I explained it was. He hovered over me for 30 minutes before deciding to get his degree in law.

30 minutes of hovering he asks when i'm going to leave. He then suddenly wants 2 of the 4 mobs total, and declares they are separate camps. He started threatening me with GM petition, citing rules and got very rude after I asked for his patience. I've spent 15+ hours in this camp and 5+ hours waiting for it to open up, and have never seen any other necro try to split the camp in half.

I didn't want to deal with a douchebag social reject so I just let him have the entire camp and gated. Every other necro on the server respects the camp. It's almost perma camped, so i'm sure this asshole has tried to cut others exp in half. It's not worth it for either of us to be there if we can only have 2 mobs.

[Nordenwatch]

Wait... you seriously kick people out for being AFK at a camp while the mob is dead? That's completely ridiculous, most people who do not need exp (60's) often wont clear any mobs that they don't have to. A good example is sebilis king where people would JUST kill the king / ph and afk for 24 minutes or so.

This is MOST of what I do nowadays, AFK camp things with long respawns while I do work. Think about the consequences of having the rule of "if you aren't there to respond within 1 min you lose camp". This means if I leave to take a shit or go to the door for whatever reason, I could lose any camp. CONSTANT VIGILANCE is not part of the blue experience

Thank god that got cleared up... the petition queue would be much larger if this was in place.

[Derubael]

Edited both my posts to avoid confusion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not going to lie, I just briefly skimmed this thread, but thought I'd clarify - if you're sitting afk at a camp for 5 mins when its not popped, someone absolutely has a right to come in and take the camp from you - and I'd rule in their favor if someone petitioned.

I know you somewhat corrected yourself a few posts down but just so Im 100% sure, if I am camping hierophant and arch duke in the seb crypt and idling (at the keyboard) between the 27min spawns, can another group roll through and claim my two phs? This happened to me 2 or 3 times last week, usually involving the same 1 or 2 people.