Bumamgar - Page 8

tuxqueot · #71 07-26-2010, 07:29 PM

I, for one, think the roll call thing is a joke. Just this very evening, while I was windowed out reading this thread and another about role call, Dino spawned in front of me. I didn't engage right away so another mage took it right out from under me. And Dino has a 6 minute repop.

Now you're telling me if I am waiting for a spawn that has a FOUR DAY window I can't even window out to read a forum thread or go take a piss for fear of missing a 60 second window to respond to someone else's abitrary role call and costing my guild the spot?

OMG people, this is a GAME.

Dercas · #72 07-26-2010, 07:38 PM

O no! The guild who camped the mob for 5 days (due to server rules) and kept the giants clear so they could have enough time on their first big raid attempt got the mob vs a guild who did not camp the mob and only had someone checking the mob the last day because there was no chance he couldn't spawn soon.

/boofuckinhoo

The problem is the server rules force you to camp big targets.

tuxqueot · #73 07-26-2010, 07:48 PM

I have no problem with camping a raid target, I have a problem with both a 30 minute kill or be gone rule AND a role call rule.

I was there the whole 4 days. sometimes doing other stuff, sometimes killing giants, sometimes killing spiders, whatever. I was there. This morning I woke up, checked my desktop, saw all was well, sat down at my laptop to check my email. Phone rings, naggy is up, I walked 5 feet over to desktop and got ready to kill.

I saw in my ooc/shout window all the role call but didn't know what it was for so I ignored it.

Then I found out what it was. So because I was doing something OTHER than watching OOC/Shout, I could have cost my guild the raid kill we waited FOUR days for. Hell even when I AM at the keyboard that OOC/Shout is usually ignored because I really don't care what people shout about.

The role call rule is BS. 30 minute rule, ok. tight but workable. Role call /lamesauce.

Charyz · #74 07-26-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tuxqueot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I, for one, think the roll call thing is a joke. Just this very evening, while I was windowed out reading this thread and another about role call, Dino spawned in front of me. I didn't engage right away so another mage took it right out from under me. And Dino has a 6 minute repop.

Now you're telling me if I am waiting for a spawn that has a FOUR DAY window I can't even window out to read a forum thread or go take a piss for fear of missing a 60 second window to respond to someone else's abitrary role call and costing my guild the spot?

OMG people, this is a GAME.

Not saying I agree with it, or like it, but just explaining the justification for the 60 second. The rules set say you have to have 15 active members in a zone, not afk. If a member is not afk they shouldnt need more than 60 seconds.

Again, dont particularly agree with it all or think its a good way, just explaining the justification.

Agaron · #75 07-26-2010, 08:00 PM

Roll call is retarded. I could box 15 toons to buy my guild time to engage a raid boss. Srsly... ffa would fix everything.

Humerox · #76 07-26-2010, 08:37 PM

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Shrug, of all the guilds they came up with these "rules", i believe WI was the only one NOT represented. To be honest, they're scewed towards super large zerg guilds, those that routinly field 50-60 players against raid targets.

I am not sure why guilds (or pick up raids since they constitute a raid force) would be subject to these or why the leadership of 4 guilds thinks they get to decide the raid rules for the whole server. There's what 8-9 guilds now that are planar capable?

In the end allowing 60 seconds to answer a roll call is ridiculous, people alt-tab, make dinner while they play, go to the bathroom etc. Not a big deal if you have 50 people camping, but a lot more important if youre doing it with 20.

It will be interesting to see what actually happens, imo.

Probably because they weren't around at the time? The prior guild summit was transparent, everyone knew about it, all guilds with an interest were asked to send representatives.

Guilds that were there attempted to make the rules with an eye to the future, so future guilds could be accommodated. It clearly hasn't worked.

Times change. Guilds now surely don't have to be subjected to rules that are outmoded. Leaves a couple of options:

1) Change the rules.
2) Ignore the rules en masse.

Fast roll call isn't ridiculous, either. If everybody is alt-tabbed, making dinner, or going to the bathroom when a boss mob spawned, you'd lose it during a FFA system anyway.

Uaellaen · #77 07-26-2010, 08:47 PM

the rules have been agreed on by remedy, transcendence, divinity, inglorious basterds ... WI was not even created when we made those rules ...

Zefiris · #78 07-26-2010, 09:49 PM

If I am not mistaken there are now a couple other guilds looking to enter the raid scene. Pretty sure the Big 4 never expected to maintain control of a monopoly on the raid targets so maybe now would be a good time to hold another pow wow of the leaders and reestablish/change/redistribute the player based rule set?

Agaron · #79 07-26-2010, 10:00 PM

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the rules have been agreed on by remedy, transcendence, divinity, inglorious basterds ... WI was not even created when we made those rules ...

Cool, but that doesn't take away from the fact that GM's enforce those player rules. That needs to go away.

**nilbog** · #80 07-26-2010, 10:35 PM

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Cool, but that doesn't take away from the fact that GM's enforce those player rules. That needs to go away.

Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.