Question about a few missing features on P99

[Yonkec]

No, I simply want the ability to make decisions for myself that in no way shape or form impact anyone else in any way on this server. Choices that you can't even tell that I have or have not made. Anything else I support 100%

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious UI wasn't made for wide screen monitors, and only having access to 1 chat window will probably free up a lot of camps as over half the population leaves.

this, multiple chat windows and scroll out to 3rd person are huge

the death of this server wont be lack of content, but implemented degrades

its not even about people not liking classic feels, its human nature, you get used to the slightly improved ui and cant go back

or new people coming to the server will find it too dated to get immersed in

the talk of 'the goal is classic, not what you want' is bs, the non classic changes made to this server to avoid exploits or improve the raid scene have already invalidated that argument

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fadetree you missed my overall point

Well, actually, I think you are missing mine. Why are they so excessively determined to remove non classic features even when they can be duplicated and even when they are a pain? Because : THATS THE PURPOSE OF THE SERVER, TO PERFECTLY DUPLICATE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE EQ OF THE TIMELINE. Period, no exceptions. The purpose of the server is to ENFORCE period limitations and everything possible about the way EQ worked then. The purpose of the server is not to be a fun place to play semi-calssic stuff that has the good parts left in, or to play classically if you want to. Whether it manifestly affects gameplay or not is not even a consideration.

And by 'they', I mean the devs, not the players. I am trying to explain their position, not to argue that its the one I like or that I think is the best.

*edit* of course, this is my understanding of the situation. Maybe a dev could elaborate on whether I am right or not. And like I said, I kind of wish they would relax things a bit on that regard. And, as has been pointed out, there have been non-classic fixes made...so...anyways if they really do go all the way on these UI issues I may drop out myself.

[Utmost]

I play p99 and my fav band is dark star orchestra. I am my own time machine.

[Nirgon]

Tons of classic "grief" implemented lately. Server pop has never been higher.

I hope Velious is devoid of /pizza, paid for bag slots etc. These "quality of life" fixes aren't for seekers of classic EQ.

WoW has flying mounts which RUINED world pvp in their game. Convenient? Yes.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fadetree you missed my overall point. I get that, but why are they moving to force excessively minor COSMETIC choices on the entire player base when those choices can ALREADY be adhered to by anyone who desires them?

Oh, we want an analogy? Certainly!

Lets pretend this server is an operating table, where we all go to get minor and non-life threatening surgeries. Perhaps we all want breast augmentations. The Dev's are the surgeons. They are the only ones qualified to perform the operation, and the only ones keeping the lights on and the room stocked with whatever is necessary to give all of us hairy manboobs. The catch here is that there are two procedures that we can undergo to get them. All of the tools exist for either option in the room, there are no monentary limits as we all have adequate pixels for either procedure, and as the playerbase we each have our own preferences for which method we would like.

Option A) The devs can take out some tools and do everything by hand, without anesthesia, and requiring of hours and hours of time to open, stuff, and close our chubby chests.

Option B) The devs can put you under anesthesia, and utilize the high tech surgical da Vinci robot to make a minimal incision, stuff and close quickly with almost no pain, or scar.

The overall result is identical (Game mechanics, expansions, balance, itemization, bards sucking), but the path to get there(UI and /corpsedrag) is extremely different. What we have here are the devs outright telling us to gtfo if some of us opt for the more modern and painless option.

In no way does it alter the final result, only the path to get there. If some of you like pain and suffering you can easily and ALREADY choose that route. For those of us who prefer a bit less, we are being told that not only can we not coexist in a way that none of you would even be aware of as it is all client side, but that we should go fuck ourselves for even suggesting it, and that we are gonna like the antiquated pain that is about to be wrought for us.

None of you can even tell if I am using a modern vs classic UI, why the fuck is a classic UI going to be forced upon me in the future? For the record, this has nothing to do with spellbook medding, if you want to try to get that working I fully support that as it is mostly a GAMEPLAY element not a personal preference. Being attacked while blind and medding is significant. Being able to move my player window and change the color and artistic design of my bags is not.

I seriously doubt they are going to force a completely classic UI, if they can even do that. AFAIK they can only determine what information the UI is allowed to obtain, and control features that require use of the database ie show helm.

However it would be nice if they would just say what kind of intentions they have with the UI, it isn't like it is some trade secret. We know what the goal of this server is so why be cryptic about it Haynar?!

[Robben]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Things aren't 'added' like Luclin UI's. We can't disable them in the client, yet. As soon as we are able to however, they'll disappear and be a footnote in the patch notes. =)

This project is not about convenience, or catering to the lowest common denominator. It is recreating the database & server side as closely to classic as can be achieved.

So yes, if a current function is useful, yet not classic. It will be scrutinized at some point. And destroyed.

This is why I love this project [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]