ninja looting or no?

[rebeccablack]

Originally Posted by deadlycupcakez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you need a specific player to get the loot, manage your kill group better and make sure they are in the group with the kill credit.

Crazy thought, but sometimes a group of players doesn't know for sure what a mob is going to drop. In those situations, sometimes a drop needs to be awarded to a player outside of the exp group.

[Daldaen]

Or maybe... You should only loot things you killed with your group or your guild. You shouldn't loot something killed by someone else's guild when you weren't invited or weren't told you may loot the mob they killed.

[deadlycupcakez]

but the fact is that the same moral integrity you force upon the individual, Daldaen, you are neglecting when it comes to the guild / group.

the group here was not invited by the initial camper of the mob to take the kill. if you want to argue that the group showed up with a force capable of killing the mob first, then you automatically submit to the argument that the looter of the corpse showed up to the open corpse first.

there cannot be two separate distinction of morals here.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Saraya camping for 2 minutes or 2 days is irrelevent. Chest not responding to private messages or tells in-game is irrelevent. Saraya having the force en route is irrelevent. Prisila not being in the kill group is irrelevent. Everything is irrelevent except this:

1: VT is a FFA mob, first come, first served.

2: BDA mobilized and engaged first.

3: BDA kills VT, all loot no-drop or tradeable is the propriety of BDA and they do whatever they want with it.

4: They decide to award it to Prisila.

5: Saraya spam-clicks a corpse containing the item that was decided by the owners of the corpse to be awarded to Prisila, loots it and gets banned.

This is text-book ninja looting. You can argue all you want about BDA being assholes or Chest being a douche, that's all opinions and emotional reasoning. Points 1 to 5 cannot be argued and that's what happened.

Erydan Ouragan <Random Acts>

This is why Prisila being in the kill group doesn't matter. If BDA decided to let the corpse rot or record themselves deleting the item and send the video to Saraya telling her "lol you'll never get your epic" they would be within their rights to do so. Supreme asshole move? Sure, but since it's THEIR kill, it's THEIR loot and if one of their lvl 1 chanter alt was logging on to loot the item, it would also be in their right to do so.

The corpse was never "open" because soon as the mob was dead, they decided to award the item to Prisila. Saraya decided to ninja it.

I know it sucks that Saraya is an underdog valiantly struggling against a giant like BDA with numbers, mobility and gear, but rules of ownership applies to everyone, from the casual gamer to the most powerful guild on the server.

Anyone calling a grey area on this issue makes an emotional judgement.

[deadlycupcakez]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why Prisila being in the kill group doesn't matter. If BDA decided to let the corpse rot or record themselves deleting the item and send the video to Saraya telling her "lol you'll never get your epic" they would be within their rights to do so. Supreme asshole move? Sure, but since it's THEIR kill, it's THEIR loot and if one of their lvl 1 chanter alt was logging on to loot the item, it would also be in their right to do so.

The corpse was never "open" because soon as the mob was dead, they decided to award the item to Prisila. Saraya decided to ninja it.

I know it sucks that Saraya is an underdog valiantly struggling against a giant like BDA with numbers, mobility and gear, but rules of ownership applies to everyone, from the casual gamer to the most powerful guild on the server.

Anyone calling a grey area on this issue makes an emotional judgement.

this is simply incorrect. the corpse opens up - the loot becomes FFA just like the mob opened up - the mob became FFA. I know it sucks that BDA is a slow giant struggling against Sarayas quick fingers, faster PC and vengeful motives, but newtons law of motion applies to everything, from the casual gamer to the most powerful guild on the server.

[Sylexis]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone calling a grey area on this issue makes an emotional judgement.

I don't think anyone here is arguing the other thread (minus a few thread derails) The OP is asking if the same rules apply if someone logs off to switch characters, ergo leaving the mobs body unattended by someone else for an unknown period of time.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by deadlycupcakez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the group here was not invited by the initial camper of the mob to take the kill. if you want to argue that the group showed up with a force capable of killing the mob first, then you automatically submit to the argument that the looter of the corpse showed up to the open corpse first.

there cannot be two separate distinction of morals here.

That's a fallacy.

You assume that once the mob is dead, the first one that gets to loot can claim the item.

That's not how it works. When someone or a group kills a mob, all loot on it becomes their propriety and they can dispose of it as they see fit. Letting rot, deleting everything on it, logging an alt to come loot it or waiting for the loot timer to open so that someone outside the kill group, who was awarded the item, can loot it.

[lecompte]

Who is Erydan? I think I'm in love.

EDIT: Can you imagine the shitstorm if TMO and IB were ninja-ing gear from each others kills while loot is being divided? Would be havoc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Softcore PK]

Erydan is right, guys. This isn't Sullon Zek.

[deadlycupcakez]

how is that fallacious?

the first one that gets to loot CAN claim the item, that is why the group that gets kill credit has 2 solid minutes to determine who in their group wants it. once the corpse opens up, anyone on the server can loot the corpse. you do not need to receive /consent from the kill credit holders in order to loot the corpse. if it was intended that way, it would have been designed that way.

and yes, it would be havoc between the two guilds. however saraya was not in a guild, playing a role on a roleplaying game and therefore does not need to abide by any guild standards. I will be redundant and repeat that the ruling made my the staff is INCORRECT and INVALID.

this same concept is relevant to logging off or switching to an alt.