Variance

[Rellapse40]

o this again

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. Hivemind is condescending and thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

I understand that it must be frustrating when someone takes a minute to dissect one of your posts and use your own words to underline how unintelligible or misdirected you sound. Again, I encourage you to actually read my posts, and quote + refute anything you might disagree with. As you can see, I have made liberal use of your own words in helping to demonstrate to you why I consider your input (as it pertains to this thread) to be almost entirely worthless.

I have been posting in this thread, talking about variance and my idea that variance can only make this server more competitive. You posted explicitly stating that you don't care about variance, don't care about discussing it in this thread titled "Variance" and that you have ulterior motives involving being critical of a particular guild and/or its leader.

Feel free to keep making attacks on my persona, or otherwise telling people what I think when I have very clearly (and precisely) written in my own words what I think about variance. Yes, I have disagreed with posters (including yourself) and very specifically quoted (and in some cases bolded/enlarged) phrases so that you or others can better see the fallacy or the emotional/off-topic responses that are riddling this thread.

Again, the thread is about Variance. Not Nihilum or Azrael, Nizzar or Lite.

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what you're all getting at is:

1. Azrael abandoned zerg tactics
2. More skirmish PvP will come from variance implemented
3. Less larger scale PvP will occur (meaning it's pandering to smaller guilds).

Variance crowd is more in favor of small skirmish PvP for the potential of getting a mob but probably won't anyway because of neckbeards.

Anti-variance crowd enjoys mass PvP, think larger guilds need more coordination and because of that are rewarded for it which has always been the case in EQ, and EQ is already a time sink so don't subject people to more.

4. Hivemind is condescending and thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

I think the problem is you think you're smarter then everyone else, not Hiveman.

[heartbrand]

99% shot hivemind is slathar based upon my advanced textual interpretation skills




also dont need variance just need common sim repops with timer resets thanks

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with variance some confrontations will escalate to large scale pvp. without variance and one dominant zerg guild, 0 opportunity of large scale pvp and 0 small scale skrimishes, We have the data to back that up, you've been here long enough to know there was months without pvp. The current model doesn't work, and neither does people who went nihilum claiming that if you do this this and that, it will all be better.

Who is we? Do you mean you stopped trying in large scale PvP after three weeks? I had a lot of fun losing while you guys were on top.

I've been claiming what you should do in Azrael since Force. You just don't have any interest in it.

I'm kind of surprised myself that both sides are very uninterested in small skirmish PvP outside of contesting a mob or deterring someone from getting to a raid.

But Hivemind, you should probably play here a bit more before you argue, hypothetically, why variance would be a better option for this server.

You gotta stop trolling. If you had any experience on this server, you'd know that these variance threads don't come from an unbiased place. They come from players in a now smaller guild that have waned and lost the will to compete against a guild they were once equal in size with (hence the joke Azrael 19.0), and they want a better reason to log in each day. It's not enough to PvP just to do it.

It comes down to the pixels, every time. This is EQ. It's classic.

That being said, and despite the intentions of this thread, I'm actually for variance.

Hivemind lacks the context to even realize who it was making this thread and why it was made, so it's understandable that's he's conflating my criticism of the bias in this thread with his defense of variance.

I called you pedantic because you are. It doesn't matter whether or not you mean what you say. Anyone with even a modicum of reading comprehension can see that you're being garrulous and patronizing for no real reason. To put it in the words of people that post here: you're being a faggot.

[Supaskillz]

I don't see much difference.
Need to have a force able to login via bat phone win a battle and kill a mob? Getting more players will help.
Need to win a battle at a predetermined time and place? Getting more players will help.

This incentive is not going anywhere. Server is at best going to be a 2 party system at the top( hopefully this can be maintained and underdog doesn't get discouraged ). If ever there were 3, 2 would merge to crush the other.

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

99% shot hivemind is slathar based upon my advanced textual interpretation skills




also dont need variance just need common sim repops with timer resets thanks

I'm flattered that people keep comparing (or supposing(?)) I am one of a host of people with professed mental disorders requiring medication. But seriously, you think I am funny or something? The flattery has gone too far.

Also, simulated repops are a terrible idea. Quoting myself since I'm not going to retype:

Originally Posted by hivemind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general, I think it is a bad idea for the GM's to put into place some mechanism that they have to constantly and mechanically iterate in order to help bring some better sense of balance to the server. I am referring to simulated repops... People have already complained, over and over and over again that it has been X days since last repop, and that they understand GMs and/or Rogean are busy. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to try to balance things out with a mechanical process like this?

If you didn't realize or otherwise don't have a clue, adding more rules or adding more mechanical inputs for the GMs to deal with is not actually a good thing. Look at blue compared to red, all the bullshit petitions that they have to deal with because neckbeards can't work out pixels amongst themselves. You give them the opportunity to kill each other (ie work things out amongst themselves) and all of a sudden you don't have to expend hours upon hours scouring petition after petition trying to make all parties happy.

The GENERAL idea is that the less time GMs/Rogean have to spend trying to babysit this server... and the more that they can implement code or automatic processes (ie "Variance", the title of this post), the more time they can spend elsewhere improving the quality of these two servers.

Let me reiterate once more that the idea of having manually simulated repops is a terrible, terrible idea. Not only is it not a true analog to variance, it requires all this additional work on the GM/staff side that ultimately only results in people QQing and asking for more frequent repops (and pixels).

You might realize that you are one of the many people that I am referring to in the last bit of quoted (blue) text. Sim repops only results in people asking for more and more of them which is inherently problematic since they require staff implementation, as well as a myriad of other reasons that I'm honestly not even interested in going into.

[heartbrand]

NP, btw how's the job coming?

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NP, btw how's the job coming?

Friday off chea boi! But I be working this weekend so D: Oh wait, I decide my own hours more or less. I guess that means it's coming along fantastically.

Also, I don't have a kid or a family that I have to worry about so that's really a bonus. Fuckin love this elf sim man.

[Mac Drettj]

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