Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what if the raid petitions were kept private until they were resolved?

or

what if there was a date, raid petitions will be made public X days after resolution

Either would be a step in the right direction. I think the main points are transparency, consistency, and elimination of back-and-forth rules-lawyering (i.e. both parties each submit their evidence once as a total package and GM ruling is based on the facts and what can be corroborated with encounter logs, etc.)

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Procedures and guidelines would streamline the current process, which currently drains days (not just hours) of the server staff's time each week.

Procedures and guidelines are cool and I agree. That's not even vaguely the same as public petitions and precedence tho.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Procedures and guidelines are cool and I agree. That's not even vaguely the same as public petitions and precedence tho.

On my phone, so forgive formatting errors. Spelling out solid policy and procedure is the second half of this discussion. Open petitions ensure that the procedures are followed more strictly. It's all about accountability, fairness, and efficiency.

Here's what I suggested a while back as a formal procedure. It's rather simple, but it was mostly met with tl;dr.

Originally Posted by Sample Procedures

SUGGESTED PROCEDURE

1) Petitioning guild submits a complaint via the petition forum
A) A 3-5 sentence summary
B) Two pages MAX of argument/counter argument
C) Appendices of logs and fraps (unedited but text highlighted for ease of reading & convenience.)
D) All appendices & fraps MUST be properly organized (logs bolded & fraps met with time stamps [Ex: train aggro @3:52 FD @7:34]
E) All Petitions (& defenses) will be made public as they were submitted verbatim

2) Accused guild is given/allowed to view the submitted petition & evidence
A) Accused guild submits a defense in the same format as the complaint

3) GM reviews all evidence in the submitted complaints & engages in additional fact finding in the server logs as necessary and requests additional evidence if necessary
A) GM's should rarely need to request additional evidence as guild officers should be smart enough to present all relevant evidence. Evidence omitted from the initial petition/response by neglect will NOT be considered without a reasonable excuse (Ex: a player who was on vacation came home and uploaded new fraps)

4) GM issues a ruling.
A) All rulings and arguments, evidences, and appendices shall be made public the moment the ruling is issued
B) All rulings will consist of a short statement of the case including the ultimate disposition (part A guilty / not guilty etc.), a brief statement on why the GM staff ruled the way it did, and a brief statement explaining the punishment and its justifications.
B) Rulings may be appealed in the same format as the original complaint
C) Appeals are owed NO response, and are heard strictly at the discretion of the senior GM staff

5) If all involved parties can reach mutual agreement, GM intervention will be deemed unnecessary and the petition dismissed.
A)Frivolous or abusive petitions/appeals will result in punishment for the abusers
B) If an accused guild admits wrong doing and presents no defense, that admission will be considered favorably when determining punishment

[quido]

I think the petition should be open to be viewed by anyone as it is in progress before a decision.

[Secrets]

Not classic.

[Nuktari]

you guys ever step back and think "oh yeah, this is just a game" ?

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[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Nuktari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you guys ever step back and think "oh yeah, this is just a game" ?

It's a hobby that people put many hours into. What's wrong with taking that investment seriously?

[Mead]

Instead of making petitions public, we can make a collective effort to educate TMO on how to not violate rules that get them petitioned. Let's solve the problem at the root. Start the pro education movement.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GM's have spent at least 7 hours in Skype (that I am aware of, possibly more) regarding the TMO/IB suspension alone.

Why are GMs spending 7 hours in Skype in the first place? They should just say "Don't like our ruling? Tough titties, here's a suspension for arguing."

[knix]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the petition should be open to be viewed by anyone as it is in progress before a decision.

I think they should be able to be viewed by all, even after a decision. If the forum is going to be open for players to comment, I suggest that if someone trolls one of the posts, that that person be banned from commenting on future posts. Hopefully a move like that would stop trolling and an RnF atmosphere.