Hey Forsaken

[arsenalpow]

IB (a class C guild) absorbs most of A-Team (a class R guild) and some free agents (Argh, Cucumbers) and renames themselves Rampage. They kill class C targets. Rampage still serves a portion of IB's pending suspensions: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...60&postcount=5

TMO (a class C guild) absorbs no one, only removes a handful of people from their roster, and renames themselves Forsaken. They kill class R targets.

I know you TMO apologists want to defend this crap but it's not a double standard. The only relevant piece of information linking these two scenarios is that each situation resulted in a new guild name.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Shinko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey don't be bashing my great idea chest

You need to update the bottom line in your signature.

[Shinko]

Don't worry <Tank For Hire> looking for more tanks

also selling Tanking needs for plat

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fundamental issue is the same: is forshaken a new entity thus allowed to start in class R, or is Rampage a new entity thus exempt from IB suspension. No idea how much more clearer i can get. There are no specific guidelines (75%, etc) but both reforms were basicly the same(new leadership, new dkp, new site). However in one instance staff argued that it was a new entity and that guild got no really penalty but in the other instance they argued it was NOT a new entity and they got a very harsh penalty. By defination it seems biased.

Too bad that's not true, as pointed out here:

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Rampage formed from several guilds, though? And didn't an overwhelming majority of the current members of Foreskin come from a single entity? Seems like a difference to me.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB (a class C guild) absorbs most of A-Team (a class R guild) and some free agents (Argh, Cucumbers) and renames themselves Rampage. They kill class C targets. Rampage still serves a portion of IB's pending suspensions: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...60&postcount=5

TMO (a class C guild) absorbs no one, only removes a handful of people from their roster, and renames themselves Forsaken. They kill class R targets.

I know you TMO apologists want to defend this crap but it's not a double standard. The only relevant piece of information linking these two scenarios is that each situation resulted in a new guild name.

Wait you are saying TMO was suspended at the time it dissolved? Do you even know how to compare like instances?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fundamental issue is the same: is forshaken a new entity thus allowed to start in class R, or is Rampage a new entity thus exempt from IB suspension. No idea how much more clearer i can get. There are no specific guidelines (75%, etc) but both reforms were basicly the same(new leadership, new dkp, new site). However in one instance staff argued that it was a new entity and that guild got no really penalty but in the other instance they argued it was NOT a new entity and they got a very harsh penalty. By defination it seems biased.

If you want to look at it in degrees Rampage was more of a "new entity" than Forsaken and even then Rampage ended up serving some of IB's suspension once all the dust settled. If anything that proves that a new guild name isn't a clean slate.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too bad that's not true, as pointed out here:

Your quote has 0 value. A guild's membership is changing daily. If you absorb A-team its do different then absorbing 20-30 apps.

[Shinko]

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait you are saying TMO was suspended at the time it dissolved? Do you even know how to compare like instances?

I don't see any reference to TMO suspension in his post. Do you reading comprehension?

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB (a class C guild) absorbs most of A-Team (a class R guild) and some free agents (Argh, Cucumbers) and renames themselves Rampage. They kill class C targets. Rampage still serves a portion of IB's pending suspensions: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...60&postcount=5

TMO (a class C guild) absorbs no one, only removes a handful of people from their roster, and renames themselves Forsaken. They kill class R targets.

I know you TMO apologists want to defend this crap but it's not a double standard. The only relevant piece of information linking these two scenarios is that each situation resulted in a new guild name.

Chest I like you, but you are not reading what Sirken said :

"this is not the case with Rampage, and so i did not treat them that way. and as i told TMO, if they want to disband their guild to form another guild, if they want to wipe dkp, if they want to shut down the TMO website, if they install new leadership, and if they did all that without knowing that the suspension was coming (to ensure it wasnt being done to circumvent me), then id be ok with it. and that was why I told Rampage that they would not be suspended."

No suspension from IB followed Rampage under their new guild tag.

so what is your point bud?