Creation Point Discussion

[Cyrano]

I disagree on going full STA for a rogue. While I get that it helps with min-maxing, not many players have the gear you do Hasbin. At 59 I have 4k raid HP buffed, 25 STA is 2.5% of that total HP pool.

I split my points between STR and STA knowing that putting more in STR would give me tons of options when gearing. I get roughly 200 STA raid buffed (can make this go up quite a bit by switching items) but I like wearing resist gear most of the time.

While the 100HP you get at 60 from that STA is nice, it really only matters for the highest end players. For everyone else I would advise going with strength and sta split, especially if you aren't a Barb or Dwarf. Dex is negligible because I don't use proccing weapons but if I did I would still have the ability to get higher dex simply because it's that much easier to max out my STR.

[Galanteer]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, and in a similar vein to the OP's point...

I remember reading on The Steel Warrior at some point around Luclin/PoP era (give or take?) that dumping all points into CHA was a good idea for warriors because very little warrior raid gear had CHA on it until (I think) PoT or maybe even CoA. Apparently the CHA of the target affects weather Divine Intervention fires or not. This also gives high CHA race warriors like Wood Elves and Half Elves a leg up on the traditional Ogre main tank in some situations, basicly trading off frontal stun immunity for reliable DI, from what they were saying.

As I recall, DI is a kunark spell, so that could directly impact a lot of warriors here, no? I started raiding in Luclin content, so I have no idea, but I'm thinking of ultimately going with a warrior main, so this has been nagging at me a bit.

Anyone heard of this?

Yea in PoP (and later) my guild had a wood elf warrior who put his points into charisma -worked quite well.

[usedtobejubaloftorv]

There's another benefit to maxing STA on character creation - you die significantly less often because you have more HP to last until after the opponent is dead.

I made a halfling (for the extra STA) druid with all points put into STA, so starting STA 110 and starting WIS 95(!)

The druid is now level 40 and already has 179 WIS. Should I end up taking this druid to the endgame it will be significantly more durable - most importantly for raids - than any other druid around, excepting only those who did the same thing. Later on when much of raiding requires surviving AOE damage, this toon will still be alive to heal and nuke when others of the same class, who chose the WIS route instead on creation, will already have fallen.

I played a high elf cleric for years that I'd started off as max WIS, and for most of my raiding experience I definitely did regret the lack of stamina, it made survival and success more difficult than it needed to be.

Depending on your class there are other benefits to max STA as well. For example, my druid's DS is that much more effective since I can absorb more hits. Regen can do more healing on average, with more HP to heal. When I get heal aggro, I'm much less likely to go down before someone can taunt off.

I am 100% convinced that in terms of the time investment I have saved already a great deal of time by going STA instead of WIS. Mana, after all, will always regen at the same rate with any given set of buffs, whether your WIS is 100 or 200, and until it come time to raid the size of your mana pool doesn't really matter a whole lot.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by usedtobejubaloftorv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The druid is now level 40 and already has 179 WIS. Should I end up taking this druid to the endgame it will be significantly more durable

no it won't. it'll have maybe 100 more hp. and when raid targets are quadding for 800 (lookin at you OoA) if you are getting attacked you're already dead, doesn't matter how many hp you have as a druid.

[Flash]

I went STA simply because it seems to be the hardest stat to max without sacrificing other key stats.

[Diggles]

On which one of your characters? (badumtish)

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Diggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On which one of your characters? (badumtish)

Keep it up, I'm *this* close to reporting you for harrassment.

[mitic]

depends what class u are playin...

as a mele with procbuffs or procweaps in game i tend to go full dex with starting stats

[Diggles]

Originally Posted by Flash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep it up, I'm *this* close to reporting you for harrassment.

oh no, i'm scared please don't lets be friends

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

depends what class u are playin...

as a mele with procbuffs or procweaps in game i tend to go full dex with starting stats