Conservative Justice Antonius Scalia Dies; Conservatives Will Try To Obstruct

[Pokesan]

TIL the Supreme Court has been ruining our democracy for over 200 years

never change, Blitzers. stay golden

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it is not. That's not what subordinate means. You were right when you called it collaborative. The Senate gets input. If anything the Senate is subordinate because they cannot nominate, only approve or disapprove the President's nomination.

If you are required to obtain consent from an entity before acting then that entity holds authority over you and you are therefore subordinate to it. That is why the Supreme Court is supreme. It's actions are not subject to the approval of any other power.

Most processes do not originate at the top of power structures. They originate at the bottom and are passed up the change.

Does the president hold power because he can initiate the process? Sure, but he must submit to the will of the senate and that makes his power subordinate. The senate has no need to submit to him.

The opposite is true with respect to law. The legislature is subordinate to the president in the creation of law.

What you are arguing is akin to saying children are not subordinate to their parents because they can formulate a particular plan on their own, whether they need to obtain their parents' permission or not.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are required to obtain consent from an entity before acting then that entity holds authority over you and you are therefore subordinate to it. That is why the Supreme Court is supreme. It's actions are not subject to the approval of any other power.

Most processes do not originate at the top of power structures. They originate at the bottom and are passed up the change.

Does the president hold power because he can initiate the process? Sure, but he must submit to the will of the senate and that makes his power subordinate. The senate has no need to submit to him.

The opposite is true with respect to law. The legislature is subordinate to the president in the creation of law.

What you are arguing is akin to saying children are not subordinate to their parents because they can formulate a particular plan on their own, whether they need to obtain their parents' permission or not.

Subordinate does not mean "they must both act to accomplish x".

Subordinate means "lower in rank or position" or "under authority or control".

Neither the executive or legislative are under each other's authority, but each get a say in the appointment. They both hold power over the process, but that power is clearly unequal. Being able to select the nominee is a position of slightly greater power than simply being able to approve that selection.

A child is subordinate to a parent because the parent has authority over the child, and no matter what plan they formulate, the parent can veto it. The child only has as much control over shit as the parent gives them.

The Supreme Court has various checks; it must rely on enforcement, it can only rule on what is presented to it, and the constitution can be amended to overpower judicial decisions.

But this semantic bullshit is beside the point.

Delaying appointment for petty partisan reasons, even if it is allowed by the Constitution, harms the country, and is contrary to the spirit of the Constitution and the spirit of compromise that is essential to democracy.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Delaying appointment for petty partisan reasons, even if it is allowed by the Constitution, harms the country, and is contrary to the spirit of the Constitution and the spirit of compromise that is essential to democracy.

uh-huh... if you feel that way, why the hell did you guys elect 0bama?
Or is it only wrong when the Republicans do it?
0bama 2006: https://youtu.be/oss4niVEyVw
Look at em' 'uh um it's not my fault! it's everyone's fault.. um uh um' [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how does this in any way effect the constitution in regards to how many SCOTUS are active? I mean since there was no set amount of appointments in the constitution as it was left open for congress to decide. It could be 1 it could be 100.

Now add those two points together and for reasoning sake what do you get?
Maybe this? https://youtu.be/MpQ6X4ojHws [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Conclusion: it's a lot of hot air, if they want to put it off for after the elections, they have every right to do so. It would seem disingenuous to state otherwise.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore it is the duty of the Legislature to define law as it is written not interpreted. The reason why you libtards want activist judges is so that the progressives can pass 2000 page bills that no one can even read or comprehend so activist judges can make law mean whatever they want it to mean.

man this is reeel talk.

this ***** blitzer is spittin fiya

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Delaying appointment for petty partisan reasons, even if it is allowed by the Constitution, harms the country, and is contrary to the spirit of the Constitution and the spirit of compromise that is essential to democracy.

This made me laugh so hard. You bastard Liberals don't give 2 shits about harming this country, infact your goal is to cede this country some sort of global "cuckold" status. Lune Fuck you and all you retarded progressive buddies. You bastards have made a sport out of harming this country.

[Blitzers]

If anything the Senate is superior in the SCOTUS nomination procedure. Advise and consent. The Senate can and has in the past gotten the appointee they wanted. This happened when they refused Robert Bork. They can refuse any nominee the President makes for an unlimited time, they also can inform/advise the President on the only judges they would approve. So really, all the power for this is held by the Senate if they decide to exercise it. The president duty is more ceremonial then anything else.

[Barkingturtle]

The GOP decides another year of obstructionism is the best course -- after the past seven years of inaction have for all intents and purposes cost them their party. Well shit, have at it, bitches! Just wait till you get a load of Hillary's nominee when she enters office with a reshuffled congress and a mandate. This is the last nail in the Republican coffin, and you're driving it for us.

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GOP decides another year of obstructionism is the best course -- after the past seven years of inaction have for all intents and purposes cost them their party. Well shit, have at it, bitches! Just wait till you get a load of Hillary's nominee when she enters office with a reshuffled congress and a mandate. This is the last nail in the Republican coffin, and you're driving it for us.

Too funny, even Obama knows the DEMS are going to lose in November, that's why he's pushing for this to happen now.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too funny, even Obama knows the DEMS are going to lose in November, that's why he's pushing for this to happen now.

You're being trolled, son.

Obama is way smarter than you. It is arguable that he is genetically superior.