Ranger solo

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm all for people playing the game how they want but please don't destroy the souls of others by doing that in groups.

If people wanted someone not knowing how to play there class and doing almost no dmg they could just invite an aoe kiting bard.

Ivory is right. Bows are great dps. Ivory has a woushi bow which is an aoe proc. Imagine endless quad kiting never running oom. That is what this is and it works. Anyone who says different is just a sheep with no real context of what is actually going on. Just because this play style is outside your realm of what is possible doesn't mean it isn't efficient. Rangers are below Rogues, Warriors, and Monks for dps at the top end so dispel your belief that a bow can't work. It does. The art of archery is not just firing arrows - it is doing everything Ivory has described above.

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ivory is right. Bows are great dps. ....

Rangers are below Rogues, Warriors, and Monks for dps at the top end so dispel your belief that a bow can't work. It does.

But!! Let's talk some numbers!!!

At 60, bow skill is 240.

Let's say you are in a decent guild and go to ToV and got a silver fang bow....

35/42....ok, nice bow.

Throw on some +8 arrows. ....ok, 43/42....yea, neat....but bows aren't like weapons, their damage is actually halved to compare to a sword.

21.5/42...ick....without double attack.

BUT, 51 means double damage. Back to 43/42 sword.

Trueshot.

Suddenly 240 skill goes to 269 (trueshot is a 12% increase is skillchecks) ....interesting.....

Oh, also that becomes an 86/42 weapon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rangers happen to also have some amazing haste items.....

Throw in some high dex (crits) and you have an archer throwing down some serious firepower for 2 minutes on an alpha raid boss!!

So, even throwing out all the stuff about archery being more useful in non traditional groups (mage pet tanking, ench pet tanking, druid pet tanking, shaman pet tanking...basically all the situations where stepping in to melee becomes a burden without a dedicated healer) ....throw out all of the advantaged of sustained damage without mana (if you have arrows, you can kill it....even stuff you shouldn't be able to, like the sand giant I soloed at level 20)......

If you want to have ONLY the conversation about "can a ranger competitively DPS with a bow in an ideal raid situation"....the answer is yes. ((Oh, and she will be doing it out of range of the AE fear and damage...so....that is pretty neat too)).


((And if you are using the best bow in the game, 43/45...with +8 arrows....you are swinging around a 102/45 sword that crits with 269 skill check :P))

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ivory is right. Bows are great dps. Ivory has a woushi bow which is an aoe proc. Imagine endless quad kiting never running oom. That is what this is and it works. Anyone who says different is just a sheep with no real context of what is actually going on. Just because this play style is outside your realm of what is possible doesn't mean it isn't efficient. Rangers are below Rogues, Warriors, and Monks for dps at the top end so dispel your belief that a bow can't work. It does. The art of archery is not just firing arrows - it is doing everything Ivory has described above.

That's a very very unique playstyle given by no drop piece of raid loot. You can hardly generalize "bows" talking about a particular bow. I use a windstriker with a sky cloak and fleeting quiver. It hits really, really hard. It's still bad dps compared to my melee damage and I wouldn't dream of using it as primary source of damage in a party w/o trueshot. Not that it's bad by any stretch. I used bows extensively face tanking to 60 solo before Velious. On a rooted mob it's a great source of dot damage while you time med ticks / regen.

[Cecily]

Please read.

Lune's Ranger Tips

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fayguard partying dagger

that used for squewering the chesse and nibbly bits at Dryad parties in Faydark ?

[RDawg816]

I'm all for Ivory writing a guide. There are many ways to play EQ. That's one of the great things about EQ.

[Doctor Jeff]

Originally Posted by RDawg816 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm all for Ivory writing a guide. There are many ways to play EQ. That's one of the great things about EQ.

Naw, the only way to play EverQuest is to get bard Pl'd 1-60 and then AFK in the back of the raid until you retire. /s

[jolanar]

+1 for a guide. -1 if it requires an expensive bow at level 1.

[Wiley]

Sounds fun on paper and at max level with a good bow, what about leveling? Pre 51 a bow like raincaller with standard arrows is only doing like 11 ((20+arrow)/2) dmg before Dex/atk is added in right?

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by Wiley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds fun on paper and at max level with a good bow, what about leveling? Pre 51 a bow like raincaller with standard arrows is only doing like 11 ((20+arrow)/2) dmg before Dex/atk is added in right?

The hardest levels with a 20 damage bow was 42-46 (likey up to 49 before bow of the huntsman starts to proc).

If you are still using a raincaller past 40....that is a bad idea :P You can almost solo the bow of the huntsman quest by 40 :P

The reasons were

1 ) TONS of arrows being used up with a faster bow! I was hunting kind of far away from town and just couldn't go too heavy on the arrows. I had to stay in wakening lands during this time....to try and hunt wuoshi....tolans bracer at 46 woulda fixed this problem.

2 ) DEX vs STR - this was before I knew that dex and str were bugged for archery on this server [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Bows use str here....so my damage was suffering a LOT because of this.... Fear kiting tigeraptors was just so tempting.....though I did find myself using bows also (pulling back to my spot I would take them to 80-90% life before they got back to me).

Or if the king raptor, rapticor, would show up....using bows was pretty handy if I got too hurt.


If I were leveling up again and had actually focused on str (instead of sitting at 95 str most the time :P) ....it would have been even stronger than it already was. In firiona vie, I was making necromancers jealous of my soloing along the cliff :P