Chanter charming

[Bazia]

"duh you were twinked on blue!" no i was pre-planar on red dumbasses, the shits not as complicated as you would like to believe

im a very incompetent person and i was doing it fairly consistently after being shown the ropes by a certain macequester (may he find peace)

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He can cast at least 5 ice comets, so 2k+ manapool.

Manasieve takes about 300 at 50, so you are looking at at least 7 casts.

Manasieve has an 11 second recast (3 sec cast + 8 sec cooldown), so you'd be looking at 77 seconds of casting nothing besides sieve. In practice it would be more due to his manaregen.

Djarn is a lvl 50 mob, doubles for 140. If he does more then 77 dps to your pet, the pet would be dead in the 77 seconds it takes you to manasieve the mob.

It is obviously far better to haste and arm the pet, and just burn Djarn while timing stuns.

Not saying that’s what I’d do I was just curious, although one dazzle gives you enough time to completely drain him... 11 sieves is pretty mana taxing on the caster in classic gear. Something worth testing. I stated I would be using a lvl 42 lava guardian with that 6k hp pool and mean DS to take him out.

[Bazia]

in retrospect i may have to concede the levi train strat might not be viable on green because the zones actually populated and you would probably be griefing so that would escalate the difficult significantly

on teal with the zone empty though you could go to town

[zillabunny]

[Mon Dec 23 13:56:51 2019] Beginning to memorize Rune III...
[Mon Dec 23 13:56:52 2019] You have finished memorizing Rune III.
[Mon Dec 23 13:56:56 2019] You forget Color Shift.
[Mon Dec 23 13:56:59 2019] You forget Mesmerize.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:03 2019] You begin casting Rune III.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:07 2019] A dark shimmer of runes surround you.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:14 2019] You forget Memory Blur.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:15 2019] Beginning to memorize Invisibility...
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:16 2019] You have finished memorizing Invisibility.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:21 2019] Beginning to memorize Suffocate...
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:21 2019] You have finished memorizing Suffocate.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:23 2019] You forget Rune III.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:26 2019] Beginning to memorize Sympathetic Aura...
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:26 2019] You have finished memorizing Sympathetic Aura.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:32 2019] You begin casting Sympathetic Aura.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:37 2019] You feel a warm aura surround you.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:41 2019] You forget Sympathetic Aura.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:01 2019] Beginning to memorize Augmentation...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:02 2019] You have finished memorizing Augmentation.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:17 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:19 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:21 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:21 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:22 2019] You begin casting Tashani.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:22 2019] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:23 2019] An ice giant glances nervously about.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:27 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:29 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:29 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:30 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] Your spell is interrupted.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] You are stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] An ice giant tries to bash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:32 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:32 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:32 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You are unstunned.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:34 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] The shimmer of runes fade.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 11 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:40 2019] You begin casting Beguile.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:41 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:41 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:41 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:44 2019] Your target resisted the Beguile spell.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:46 2019] You forget Beguile.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:49 2019] Beginning to memorize Cajoling Whispers...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:50 2019] You have finished memorizing Cajoling Whispers.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:52 2019] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:57 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:09 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:09 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] You begin casting Cajoling Whispers.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:12 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:12 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:12 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:22 2019] Your charm spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:31 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:33 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You begin casting Cajoling Whispers.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:35 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:35 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:44 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:47 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:48 2019] an ice giant says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:49 2019] an ice giant tells you, 'Attacking an ice giant Master.'
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:55 2019] You begin casting Suffocate.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:59 2019] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:59 2019] Your target resisted the Suffocate spell.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:01 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:01 2019] You begin casting Tashani.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:03 2019] An ice giant glances nervously about.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:09 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:12 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:17 2019] Your charm spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:23 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] Your spell is interrupted.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] You are stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] An ice giant bashes YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:37 2019] You are unstunned.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:38 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:47 2019] You are stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:47 2019] An ice giant bashes YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:47 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:49 2019] You are unstunned.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:49 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:52 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:58 2019] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Mon Dec 23 14:01:05 2019] You have entered Permafrost Caverns.


So just a heads up this is what a real log looks like and note these Ice giants were BLUE to me at 40 so probably level 39 and I have 190 Charisma...

my roots lasted about 20-30 seconds and my charm lasted 11 seconds and 40 seconds and the giant was tashed...

luckily i had full cleric buffs when I tried this and runed myself before hand to be safe but after just casting these few spells and taking the 3 hits, I was at 50% health and 60% mana


I really wish you guys would provide some proof rather than just tell stories or outright lies about how you did something that clearly you never did, at this point i'm not you've actually even played an enchanter and are just theory questing or talking about maybe doing these things when you were level 60.

[Bazia]

i dont care if you wish i would spend time leveling my 3rd p99 vanilla enchanter to 50 and then record myself breaking freeti im not going to

[zillabunny]

Bro i doubt you could break a bandit camp

[DMN]

Cut Bazia some slack. He is redtarded, after all. Best enchanter red ever had, if you don't count the other enchanter on the server.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by zillabunny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bro i doubt you could break a bandit camp

[bum3]

Originally Posted by Benanov [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point in my earlier post was to refocus the discussion not on high-end min/max content, but on garden-variety grouping content.

However, given this, I might consider changing my position:



The proper response to that is "it sucks to suck, doesn't it?" and to stop charming.

If they inquire further you can educate them upon their duties when charm breaks.

I've been in groups where both enchanters wanted to charm. That's not happening. I don't need both enchanters dealing with charm breaks at the same time - and I'm pretty sure that's the original definition of Murphy's Law.

"If there are exactly two ways to do something, and one of them results in catastrophic failure, then someone will do it that way."

--

Enchanter charm requires taking on certain risks for a massive boost in power. With a knowledgeable partner/group etc, those risks are massively reduced. Without those risk reductions, it's a hop skip and a jump to a TPW.

I think the design is fine as-is. Charm never tells you when it's going to break, and so as a result you are riding a bucking bronco. You're going to get thrown off, it's just a matter of when. Haste your pet or give it too many advantages, and those will come at you once charm breaks.

You seem like a reasonable person.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by zillabunny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mon Dec 23 13:56:51 2019] Beginning to memorize Rune III...
[Mon Dec 23 13:56:52 2019] You have finished memorizing Rune III.
[Mon Dec 23 13:56:56 2019] You forget Color Shift.
[Mon Dec 23 13:56:59 2019] You forget Mesmerize.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:03 2019] You begin casting Rune III.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:07 2019] A dark shimmer of runes surround you.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:14 2019] You forget Memory Blur.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:15 2019] Beginning to memorize Invisibility...
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:16 2019] You have finished memorizing Invisibility.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:21 2019] Beginning to memorize Suffocate...
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:21 2019] You have finished memorizing Suffocate.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:23 2019] You forget Rune III.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:26 2019] Beginning to memorize Sympathetic Aura...
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:26 2019] You have finished memorizing Sympathetic Aura.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:32 2019] You begin casting Sympathetic Aura.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:37 2019] You feel a warm aura surround you.
[Mon Dec 23 13:57:41 2019] You forget Sympathetic Aura.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:01 2019] Beginning to memorize Augmentation...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:02 2019] You have finished memorizing Augmentation.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:17 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:19 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:21 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:21 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:22 2019] You begin casting Tashani.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:22 2019] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:23 2019] An ice giant glances nervously about.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:27 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:29 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:29 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:30 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] Your spell is interrupted.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] You are stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] An ice giant tries to bash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:31 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:32 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:32 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:32 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You can't cast spells while stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You are unstunned.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:33 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:34 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but YOUR magical skin absorbs the blow!
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] The shimmer of runes fade.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 11 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:36 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:40 2019] You begin casting Beguile.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:41 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:41 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:41 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:44 2019] Your target resisted the Beguile spell.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:46 2019] You forget Beguile.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:49 2019] Beginning to memorize Cajoling Whispers...
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:50 2019] You have finished memorizing Cajoling Whispers.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:52 2019] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:58:57 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:09 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:09 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:10 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] You begin casting Cajoling Whispers.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:11 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:12 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:12 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:12 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:22 2019] Your charm spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:31 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:33 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] Your target is out of range, get closer!
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You begin casting Cajoling Whispers.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:35 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:35 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:44 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:47 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:48 2019] an ice giant says 'Sorry, Master..calming down.'
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:49 2019] an ice giant tells you, 'Attacking an ice giant Master.'
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:55 2019] You begin casting Suffocate.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:59 2019] Your Enstill spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 13:59:59 2019] Your target resisted the Suffocate spell.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:01 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:01 2019] You begin casting Tashani.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:03 2019] An ice giant glances nervously about.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:09 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:12 2019] An ice giant's feet adhere to the ground.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:17 2019] Your charm spell has worn off.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:23 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You begin casting Enstill.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:33 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:34 2019] You haven't recovered yet...
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] Your spell is interrupted.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] You are stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] An ice giant bashes YOU for 25 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:35 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 69 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:37 2019] You are unstunned.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:38 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:47 2019] You are stunned!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:47 2019] An ice giant bashes YOU for 24 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:47 2019] An ice giant tries to slash YOU, but misses!
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:49 2019] You are unstunned.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:49 2019] An ice giant slashes YOU for 96 points of damage.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:52 2019] Your feet feel quick.
[Mon Dec 23 14:00:58 2019] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Mon Dec 23 14:01:05 2019] You have entered Permafrost Caverns.


So just a heads up this is what a real log looks like and note these Ice giants were BLUE to me at 40 so probably level 39 and I have 190 Charisma...

my roots lasted about 20-30 seconds and my charm lasted 11 seconds and 40 seconds and the giant was tashed...

luckily i had full cleric buffs when I tried this and runed myself before hand to be safe but after just casting these few spells and taking the 3 hits, I was at 50% health and 60% mana


I really wish you guys would provide some proof rather than just tell stories or outright lies about how you did something that clearly you never did, at this point i'm not you've actually even played an enchanter and are just theory questing or talking about maybe doing these things when you were level 60.

Please gtfo with your parses.

This is a feels-based thread, people need emotional support, your actual evidence isn't wanted here.

@Loramin please post feels, thread needs more feels