Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[remen]

In voice:

Jutebox: "Cycle camp since those mobs got so close up here...I would hate to see them come up here"

As train comes in:
"We should have cycled!"
"Apparently not everybody did"

[sydbarrett25]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In voice:

Jutebox: "Cycle camp since those mobs got so close up here...I would hate to see them come up here"

As train comes in:
"We should have cycled!"
"Apparently not everybody did"

Klaz wasnt in our coms, at least dont think he was. He should have cycled

[remen]

Originally Posted by sydbarrett25 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Klaz wasnt in our coms, at least dont think he was. He should have cycled

How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?

Clearly the point is that members of your raid were aware that your raid was in social range of the mobs and should have cycled camp, but didn't.

[Loke]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

[Nexii]

The thread title is an admission that Vanquish decided not to concede Vulak not because of the facts of what obviously happened, but because KT went to petition. Lol.

[k9quaint]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

If you had conceded, we would have taken the free Vulak and tried the science next week. In any case, Vanquish will implode eventually. The same group always have in the past, and probably always will. We just have to be patient while you are in your pupal stage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Arvan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if Klaz was at fault, which I've seen no conclusive evidence of, what did the train actually change? In an alternate universe where no train occurs, Riot still wipes trying to AE Vulak's guards (again, kudos to the Riot brain trust on that brilliant strategy), and Vanquish still kills Vulak. You guys had all the time in the world to recover, so I'm assuming you engaged at full strength, and if you didn't, that's kind of on you for rushing when you had no reason to.

This is just another instance of Riot (and their B-Team, Kittens) trying to rule lawyer free mobs that they know they can rarely get competitively. AFAIK, Riot has still never killed a Vulak without either clearing 4 way or killing a guard or two. They just can't compete in the current early engage meta that requires a 6 guard kite and 4 way train away. When they do get Vulak it is either because Vanq has low numbers and Riot can clear without worrying about Vanq doing their normal engage, or because 4 way was clear already from killing a blocker.

Again, if the shoe was on the other foot, Riot would be making the same arguments Vanq is making. We've seen them make the exact same arguments before. The Doze example I gave earlier is a similar "train" scenario, and there are a number of situations where Riot has felt that allowing the other guild a fair shot at the mob should suffice (I remember a Dagarn ledge train specifically). This is a prime example of the double standard that both guilds are admittedly guilty of at times. If we want to set the precedent that allowing the other entity a shot at engage is sufficient (which imo we absolutely should as it would reduce petition quest), here is a great opportunity to set it.

But we all know that isn't what Riot's leadership actually wants. Some people (Arcler, JB, Jute, Space) clearly love this elf lawyer BS and getting up on their soap box in the UN, so they'll continue to play the victim until the shoe is on the other foot, and then pretend Vanquish submitting similar petitions is causing toxicity.

Trains are ok if they don't change anything? What?

[Kaitainz]

Originally Posted by remen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?

Clearly the point is that members of your raid were aware that your raid was in social range of the mobs and should have cycled camp, but didn't.

How can you be such a complete and utter FUCKTARD? Go watch the videos again, shit for brains. All mobs were reset and no agro... it was also called out in Coms, but you gaslighing bitches love to pick and choose and argue half truths... we didn't have any agro on them.

Then, watch my video, you will see, if you go frame by frame that your necro boy stands up, brings mobs in, FD's as it comes over the hill, and those mobs then go for sitting players now at the top of the agro table thanks to your necro. Then, when AE breaks his FD, they all go dogpile his ass.. then, they let out new messages, since their primary target with primary agro, is now dead. But hey.. keep living in fantasy land and go fuck yourself.

I thought the #1 raiding guild would understand game mechanics. Too bad I picked up your necro casting in my fraps, got him also standing up, and got him dying .... maybe you should look again, before you lie more... nm, that's your normal MO.. lie cheat and steal.. I guess you learned that from your guild leader. Fucking pathetic garbage human beings

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Kaitainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then, watch my video, you will see, if you go frame by frame that your necro boy stands up, brings mobs in, FD's as it comes over the hill, and those mobs then go for sitting players now at the top of the agro table thanks to your necro. Then, when AE breaks his FD, they all go dogpile his ass.. then, they let out new messages, since their primary target with primary agro, is now dead. But hey.. keep living in fantasy land and go fuck yourself.

Link to video, please? I'd love to see some evidence that supports your claim because the ones in UN don't.

[remen]

Originally Posted by Kaitainz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can you be such a complete and utter FUCKTARD? Go watch the videos again, shit for brains. All mobs were reset and no agro... it was also called out in Coms, but you gaslighing bitches love to pick and choose and argue half truths... we didn't have any agro on them.

Then, watch my video, you will see, if you go frame by frame that your necro boy stands up, brings mobs in, FD's as it comes over the hill, and those mobs then go for sitting players now at the top of the agro table thanks to your necro. Then, when AE breaks his FD, they all go dogpile his ass.. then, they let out new messages, since their primary target with primary agro, is now dead. But hey.. keep living in fantasy land and go fuck yourself.

I thought the #1 raiding guild would understand game mechanics. Too bad I picked up your necro casting in my fraps, got him also standing up, and got him dying .... maybe you should look again, before you lie more... nm, that's your normal MO.. lie cheat and steal.. I guess you learned that from your guild leader. Fucking pathetic garbage human beings

Well that escalated quickly, take a deep breath and calm down. Note that you are the one cursing and using personal attacks rather than have a rational debate about what happened. Oh, and nice job sneaking in gaslighting again, look how well you are doing!