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Old 08-19-2022, 05:51 PM
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At filling a strictly dps role in a group, mage is absolutely better at dishing out than shaman.

I know.
I have both.
At level 60.
Within full spell books.

Solo? In a small duo/trio with high hp mobs with wicked regen (Kael arena comes to mind). All is these things change the balance given the mechanics of shaman mana self-replenishment and the damage impact potential of more efficient dots if the mobs live long enough.

But again … apples to raw fish comparison. We’re talking a high dps fast paced group where dots won’t have time to do their things.

Mages are a raw dps class. Shamans are not. Shamans are undeniably more effective in most every area of this game but if all you want/need is another person to get things dead faster, the shaman isn’t going to fill that ticket as well as a lot of other classes.

Shamans got some meh nukes, some very powerful dots that won’t have time to reach their potential, and a crappy ass double attacking pet (from a dps perspective … it can tank just fine).

As for parses: I’m at work. Laptop is at home and I haven’t dusted off the mage since Covid hit in early 2020 and since then mage pets got tuned down.

I’ll get you some parses sometime this weekend if I don’t end up sitting lfg for 12 hours.
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Old 08-19-2022, 05:56 PM
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At filling a strictly dps role in a group, mage is absolutely better at dishing out than shaman.

I know.
I have both.
At level 60.
Within full spell books.

Solo? In a small duo/trio with high hp mobs with wicked regen (Kael arena comes to mind). All is these things change the balance given the mechanics of shaman mana self-replenishment and the damage impact potential of more efficient dots if the mobs live long enough.

But again … apples to raw fish comparison. We’re talking a high dps fast paced group where dots won’t have time to do their things.

Mages are a raw dps class. Shamans are not. Shamans are undeniably more effective in most every area of this game but if all you want/need is another person to get things dead faster, the shaman isn’t going to fill that ticket as well as a lot of other classes.

Shamans got some meh nukes, some very powerful dots that won’t have time to reach their potential, and a crappy ass double attacking pet (from a dps perspective … it can tank just fine).

As for parses: I’m at work. Laptop is at home and I haven’t dusted off the mage since Covid hit in early 2020 and since then mage pets got tuned down.

I’ll get you some parses sometime this weekend if I don’t end up sitting lfg for 12 hours.
I appreciate it! I would love to see the data, I am intrigued.
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Old 08-19-2022, 06:09 PM
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Am honestly excited to show it to you. As I have said in other threads I real-time parse every group I’m in with active heads up display. The only thing I can’t parse are anyones dots (these days including self), DS on other people and other people’s nukes.

I think the biggest thing you’re underestimating is the dps of the pet. It’s basically an extra well geared melee (well geared meaning high end group stuff and epics). Without the pet mages are just like a slightly less powerful wizard with a better DS.

A few well placed nukes is enough to slingshot to the top on your standard xp mobs (not a lot of hp) and unless the group is literally chain pulling all that time between pulls fills your bank with more potential damage to unload on the next.
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Old 08-19-2022, 06:28 PM
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It's pretty blatant that popular answer is gonna be clr ench ench X

You could argue for another enchanter

or necro (fd pulls, undead charm pet, fueling cleric with mana)

or mage (utility and burst)

or druid (harmony, ports and regen and beast charm pet)


It's gonna depend on how you define best or where you're hunting. Fastest XP, most difficult encounters, safest or least stressful?
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Old 08-19-2022, 06:41 PM
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yall know you can duo fungi king right?
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Old 08-19-2022, 09:56 PM
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headed to seb on my 60 mage ailowen if you want to parse dsm ...
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otherwise i'll be sitting lfg for who knows how long
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Old 08-19-2022, 10:01 PM
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shoot me a tell!
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Old 08-19-2022, 11:36 PM
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Ailowen (60 mage) + pet (water) minus DS so far seb crypt

Low: 72dps
High: 175dps

I'll post screenshots later. busy at the moment

New pets are definitely weaker. I'm a sad panda but still averaging 90-110dps overall per xp group fight
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Old 08-19-2022, 11:39 PM
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Granted; strong sk tank aggro so i can nuke willy nilly
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