Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[Vexenu]

STR is the gift that keeps on giving. Extra unbuffed DPS 1-60 (and you will be unbuffed/partially buffed way more often than not while leveling), and increased carrying capacity is a huge quality of life buff.

STA is the theoretical min/max choice. The extra +100 HP at 60 might realistically save your life once over hundreds of hours of play, but resist gear and wort pots are what will really impact survival on raids. I would not pump STA unless I was megatwinked and leveling the character exclusively to raid with.

CHA is a meme reply. You don't need cheaper vendor prices, since as a Rogue you prefer to steal, anyway. And no one is realistically bothering to cast DI on Rogues.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

STR is easily capped with EC gear and buffs. There's no need to waste your points on it for any melee class with 20k worth of twink gear. Having 300+ STR is not helpful.

If losing STR was a big deal, people would be telling OP to go Barbarian or Dwarf. It's apparently fine to lose 40-70 STR by picking Gnome, but it's not fine to lose 30 STR by putting points into STA.

[fortior]

Found the new DSM thread

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found the new DSM thread

He’s right though.

With 20k gear you’ll have good enough DPS for it never to matter in groups, and that’s all you will be doing. You’ll also have enough str to cap with buffs and enough to be able to carry a fair amount of finesteel weapons and coin.

Anyone who tells me they’d notice +25str when grouping with kunark/velious gear is delusional.

Sure, stamina won’t matter either but in the end it’ll provide some use instead of none. People crying about pointless minmaxing are literally minmaxing themselves, just a different segment of the game.

I haven’t checked magelo with a BIS-profile, possibly going max dex is better to proc avatar faster in case you don’t end up capping dex. I doubt it though.

[fortior]

not having capped str on a rogue is garbage, sorry, and you can play a grouping rogue with 1 max hp

[Trelaboon]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that they should put their points into STA. STR is easy to cap in Velious even without BiS gear or a Primal.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Spider_Fur_Collar +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Haze_Panther_Skullcap +10 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Dark_Scale_Sleeves +10 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gauntlets_of_Potence +15 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Thick_Banded_Belt +15 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tribal_War_Mask +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Mithril_Greaves +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Haze_Panther_Boots +08 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Haze_Panther_Shoulderpads +07 STR
https://wiki.project1999.com/Silver_Chitin_Wristband +14 STR for 2x

With these items, which are all purchasable in EC, you can get +100 STR on your gnome. You still have room for CoF and Fungi. With 160 STR you will be capped at 255 with Maniacal Strength + FoS. You get a total of 135 STR from those two buffs, so you will be 40 STR over what these items give you, which means you still have flexibility on gear I showed above, and I didn't even provide an item for all slots.

Nothing worse and more shameful than having to ask for strength buff before focus as a rogue lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'm still waiting on people to start telling OP to pick Barbarian instead of Gnome. He is losing 43 STR by picking Gnome. It is amazing how people forget this, while complaining about losing 30 STR. Apparently losing 43 STR on your starting stats isn't a big deal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still waiting on people to start telling OP to pick Barbarian instead of Gnome. He is losing 43 STR by picking Gnome. It is amazing how people forget this, while complaining about losing 30 STR. Apparently losing 43 STR on your starting stats isn't a big deal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He will never see a gnome mask, he can get a barb mask

[Evia]

Originally Posted by AEH84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks all, these answers were very helpful.

The one thing I’ll mention regarding the weapons, and I’m not sure most longtime players realize, is apart from budget, availability of a lot of these items is also a pretty limiting factor. For example, the only item mentioned in this thread that I’ve seen for sale in the tunnel, on the general discord, the guild discords, and the sub forum here in the last week is the croaking dirk. I’d snap buy a chokidai fang, frozen shard, or small dragonbone shard. I have about 20k to spend and the best I see available is a croaking dirk and crystalline short sword.

Seb dirk is underrated. I used that bad boy in offhand from my mid 20s until mid 50s when I finally grabbed a EOTNW. It’s an excellent weapon and I can’t recommend it enough, especially for the cheap price.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm still waiting on people to start telling OP to pick Barbarian instead of Gnome. He is losing 43 STR by picking Gnome. It is amazing how people forget this, while complaining about losing 30 STR. Apparently losing 43 STR on your starting stats isn't a big deal[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but you’re leaving out the part that he’d have to forgo the incredibly awesome gnome and become an ugly barbarian to gain that 43 str…