Can we talk about the future of P99?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone has a different tale about what the agreement is.

Yeah except in this case we're talking specifically about what the literal people who signed the agreement said it says

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not frustrated, I assume there is a legal reason this pirated game is not able to release new servers while daybreak makes the lionshare of its rev from TLP servers (which it started right around 2015, and while activision was fighting to shut down nost for that very reason with wow).

from your wiki link:



I said the reason likely is its expensive and they can't make proffit and dont want to wipe the other servers.

Again, there's no legal reason because Daybreak literally signed an agreement that allows new servers as long as they don't go past Velious.

They're not wiping the other servers, they'd just merge Green and Blue together as they said they would at the launch of Green (and as they've demonstrated with server merges before, it's easy to do this).

IIRC Rogean has said in the past that while server costs are not necessarily small, he has no problem covering the cost and a lot is offset through donations. And in any case, again, this wouldn't be incurring incremental cost; you would merge Green and Blue so you'd be left with the same number of servers as you have now. So your cost argument is moot as well.

This is solely a lack of energy/interest from them to do it right now. Which is okay and it's understandable. They're unpaid volunteers. Unfortunately it's par for the course for P99. Engagement comes in waves (including with Green launch where we waited years for it). Eventually they will get the energy to do it. Until then we just enjoy P99 as is.

[Jimjam]

They also already opened a second green server (teal) and merged it (into green) so new servers nor merges are completely off the table.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They also already opened a second green server (teal) and merged it (into green) so new servers nor merges are completely off the table.

That's a good point.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, there's no legal reason because Daybreak literally signed an agreement that allows new servers as long as they don't go past Velious.

No need to repeat yourself, it doesn't say that on the wiki link about the agreement so I'm curious where you got that information.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, there's no legal reason because Daybreak literally signed an agreement that allows new servers as long as they don't go past Velious.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need to repeat yourself, it doesn't say that on the wiki link about the agreement so I'm curious where you got that information.

You're right, no one really knows what's in the agreement ... but if you just think about the interests of the people involved, one would expect a clause like that to be in the agreement.

Why? First look at P99: they have been very clear, from day one, that they despise "cats on the moon". The P99 folks have zero interest whatsoever in taking P99 to Luclin (or beyond), except possibly in a very limited/custom capacity (eg. offering specific AAs as the result of a custom "epic quest").

Daybreak's interests are also clear: they want to make money off live EQ. But they've decided that P99 doesn't threaten that: it's so different from live that it's not a competitor (in fact, I think they recognize that it helps keep people's interest in the game alive, and actually drives more customers to play on their servers). So their only concern is that P99 could someday become such a competitor, if they impliment Luclin+ expansions.

Agreeing not to go past Velious is in everyone's interests: Daybreak gets a guarantee that P99 won't compete with them, and P99 gives up nothing (but gets the other benefits of the agreement, most importantly an assurance that Daybreak won't attack them with lawyers).

[WarpathEQ]

I think its perfect just the way it is, but it would be cool to get a fresh server since I came to P99 after green was already in Velious. Would be fun to just start EQ on day 1 with everyone else and progress to where green/blue are now.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a good point.



No need to repeat yourself, it doesn't say that on the wiki link about the agreement so I'm curious where you got that information.

The staff have said it before

The Wiki isn't something to rely on for everything because it's totally user managed and not touched by the staff

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, no one really knows what's in the agreement ... but if you just think about the interests of the people involved, one would expect a clause like that to be in the agreement.

Agreeing not to go past Velious is in everyone's interests: Daybreak gets a guarantee that P99 won't compete with them, and P99 gives up nothing (but gets the other benefits of the agreement, most importantly an assurance that Daybreak won't attack them with lawyers).

Yeah exactly, the clause is in there because Daybreak didn't want to look like assholes shutting down a small, beloved community run project. So they agree look you guys can run the server as classic through Velious. Anything else is gonna be a problem. And as you noted, it permits new servers because the agreement was signed 4 years before Green was launched (and the idea of Green was conceived of before the agreement was signed...it's always been the intent of P99 to launch new servers and merge the old ones).

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The staff have said it before

The Wiki isn't something to rely on for everything because it's totally user managed and not touched by the staff

Ahh yeah i heard the staff say they cant do any new servers, so I guess we'll never know.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh yeah i heard the staff say they cant do any new servers, so I guess we'll never know.

Source?