I made a P99 DPS calculator for melee classes based on EQEMU code

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Categorically wrong. You're sitting here trying to say that people don't use gaming mouses, when obviously tons of people do. It's silly to argue so obtusely. People will use any better hardware if it's available to them and there's no rule against it. I will be glad to use the even more advanced technology that's around decades from now when I might want to play EQ again as an elderly person with time to spare (hopefully we'll have a better version of classic EQ by then, and in full virtual reality).

And tons of people have used scrips on p99, LOL. Thankfully no script that interacts with the game or creates additional inputs is needed for this anyway, breaking no rules.

You clearly haven't read the rules:


https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651

5. You may not use third-party programs on Project 1999.

The use of any third-party programs on Project 1999, including but not limited to, Macroquest/Macroquest2(MQ/MQ2), ShowEQ(SEQ), or any other program that interacts with the Everquest Titanium Client, is strictly prohibited. Use of any third-party programs will be detected and will result in the permanent banning of your account(s). No exceptions will be made, and once a ban has been enacted for violation of this rule it will not be reversed.

This is not limited to programmable keyboards or other input devices that creates multiple inputs for a single keystroke or automated task.

Wineq2 by Lavishsoft is the exception to this rule. In addition, any program that strictly reads log files is acceptable.

You are not allowed to use scripts, programmable keyboards/mice, etc.

If you get caught, you will be banned. Someone with a Palladius Axe is not going to risk getting banned for a few extra DPS.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another thing for the p99 devs to work on then! It's still doable on p99 within certain time frames regardless, making it especially beneficially for untwinked and lower level Warriors/Rangers.

Too risky without being able to reliably swap quickly. You also need to time for the enemy swing timer - about 1/20 swings will be riposted.

DSM you seem fluent in your dps tool - given a 5% riposte rate, how many swings is a lvl 45 npc likely to attempt per round, scaling for riposte chance what is the damage a player with a decent 2her likely to do from riposte per round?

How does this compare to the damage predicted for an offhand swing plus the riposte damage of a naked fist in the same time?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too risky without being able to reliably swap quickly. You also need to time for the enemy swing timer - about 1/20 swings will be riposted.

DSM you seem fluent in your dps tool - given a 5% riposte rate, how many swings is a lvl 45 npc likely to attempt per round, scaling for riposte chance what is the damage a player with a decent 2her likely to do from riposte per round?

How does this compare to the damage predicted for an offhand swing plus the riposte damage of a naked fist in the same time?

I may have read your post wrong, so apologies if this doesn't answer your question.

I wouldn't worry too much about riposte chances from NPCs. From what I've parsed so far, mob riposte rate is lower than a player's, even at higher levels. A 5% Riposte rate is what my SK was getting in the high 50's.

My calculator basically sets Riposte/Block/Parry skill to 1 for NPCs when using autoscaling to try and get closer to what I have parsed. Even level 50 mobs have a significantly lower Riposte rate than players.

I haven't done large scale testing, so if someone else can provide logs showing a 5% riposte rate on mobs that would be interesting to look at.

[Jimjam]

Sorry for lack of clarity, I meant the player riposting against an npc - it is about 1/20 chance, which isn't bad - especially as an npc is likely do multiple swings per round.

What I'm trying to say is the player riposting with a 2 hander isn't insignificant damage, and I wonder how much more damage off-hand swapping + bare fist riposte does vs riposting with a 2 hander (cos off hand swapping would likely produce mainly fist ripostes).

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly haven't read the rules

You are not allowed to use scripts, programmable keyboards/mice, etc.

You're the one who can't comprehend the rules. It says you're not allowed to use programs that alter the EQ client and you're not allowed to use programs that create multiple inputs with a single keystroke. There are no "multiple inputs" happening by having a more precise mouse. Just as there are not multiple inputs happening by having a gaming mouse with extra keys, which allows you to click more buttons than you otherwise would be able to. Something tons of people use. It's allowed, as is having an eye-tracker instead of a hand mouse.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too risky without being able to reliably swap quickly.

There's no risk. Untwinked characters have an attack delay of more than 4 seconds. Anyone with a working brain can reliably swap during that timeframe.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry for lack of clarity, I meant the player riposting against an npc - it is about 1/20 chance, which isn't bad - especially as an npc is likely do multiple swings per round.

What I'm trying to say is the player riposting with a 2 hander isn't insignificant damage, and I wonder how much more damage off-hand swapping + bare fist riposte does vs riposting with a 2 hander (cos off hand swapping would likely produce mainly fist ripostes).

Oh I see. Riposte damage probably isn't very high. My calculator doesn't do player ripostes, only NPC ripostes. However, we can do a quick thought experiment:

Let's say our player is using a 46/44 weapon. That means their Weapon Damage * 2 + Damage Bonus = 129 damage at level 60.

Mobs generally hit every 2 seconds unslowed, so you'll get swung at 30 times per minute. 5% of 30 is 1.5. When factoring in the chance to miss the riposte, we can say you'll get 1 riposte hit per minute with a 5% chance to riposte.

This means on average you are probably getting something like 2-4 DPS from Riposte from your ToV 2H weapon. In theory the offhand swapping would still do more damage if you lose this Riposte DPS, assuming you didn't miss a significant amount of your 2h swings while swapping back and forth.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're the one who can't comprehend the rules. It says you're not allowed to use programs that alter the EQ client and you're not allowed to use programs that create multiple inputs with a single keystroke. There are no "multiple inputs" happening by having a more precise mouse. Just as there are not multiple inputs happening by having a gaming mouse with extra keys, which allows you to click more buttons than you otherwise would be able to. Something tons of people use. It's allowed, as is having an eye-tracker instead of a hand mouse.

It is is you who didn't read the rules correctly. "Not limited to" means other kinds of hardware that does special stuff is prohibited, not just programmable mice and keyboards that do multiple inputs. That was just the hardware example they gave. Same with the software. You say "not limited to" so you don't have to list every possible hardware/software that is prohibited.

They explicitly state what the only exceptions are. You are allowed a standard keyboard/mouse, wineq2, and log reading programs.

Anything else is risking a ban. Nobody here is going to risk a ban for a few DPS. You are the only poster I know who is trying to interpret these rules differently.

[Zuranthium]

God you are so demented. GAMING MOUSES ARE ALLOWED. Tons of people use them, this isn't an argument whatsoever. There is absolutely no punishment for having a better computer or personal devices, LMAO. Nowhere does it say you are only allowed a "standard" keyboard and mouse (what is even the definition of "standard"?). You are just fabricating that. How would they even be able to police people from using mouses with extra buttons or eye-tracking mouse devices? They can't and don't.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody here is going to risk a ban for a few DPS.

Clueless. While I obviously don't advocate using ShowEQ and such, lots of people have used those things regardless of the risk, with many going unnoticed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God you are so demented. GAMING MOUSES ARE ALLOWED. Tons of people use them, this isn't an argument whatsoever.

I never said "gaming mice are not allowed". You can check the thread. What you are doing using the term "gaming mice" in a very broad sense to obfuscate the functionality of the mouse you are using. Not all gaming mice have special functionalities. I have a gaming mouse with a few extra buttons, none of which do anything special.

Mice with special functionalities like programmable inputs, multiple inputs, clicking on different parts of the screen other than where your cursor actually is, etc. are not allowed. The rules say so. You are just trying to laywerquest with me, which is irrelevant. The GM will just ban you, they won't care about your lawyerquesting.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clueless. While I obviously don't advocate using ShowEQ and such, lots of people have used those things regardless of the risk, with many going unnoticed.

You are correct, people have cheated and gotten away with it. That is also risking a ban, which is my point. Plenty of people have been banned too.

Most people who play on P99 follow the rules. The ones who don't have mostly been banned already. You aren't going to convince anybody to use scripts and hardware that are against the rules, which is what you are doing. Lawyerquesting with me doesn't change what the rules actually are.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just use something that makes it so when you click your mouse, it always clicks the part of the screen you want.

There is no real point in continuing this back and forth. You already admitted you need to use "something" that modifies how your mouse works aside from it's standard functionality to get offhand weaving to work for non-monks.

That "something", whether it be a script or a piece of hardware, is against the rules. People are not going to use that "something" on P99 and risk a ban for a few DPS.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no real point in continuing this back and forth. You already admitted you need to use "something" that modifies how your mouse works aside from it's standard functionality to get offhand weaving to work for non-monks.

That "something", whether it be a script or a piece of hardware, is against the rules. People are not going to use that "something" on P99 and risk a ban for a few DPS.

While it was a distraction from your thread, I feel you accomplished a huge task. For years this person has been claiming people who don’t offhand swap melee every couple seconds are lazy and unskilled. Turns out they were just basing this on outsourcing the labor to programmable hardware.