Questioning GM Decisions

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you just dont ban a good portion of your active "customers", at least not at the first time they got caught

we are talking here about threehundretsixtyfive accounts ffs

365 accounts != 365 active players. They absolutely should be banned the first time being caught.

- Any type of program or script that gives you an unfair advantage (eg. MacroQuest, ShowEQ or packet modification) will result in an instant ban with no lenience. Cheating will be ruled with an iron first regardless of who you are.

From this thread.

NO LENIENCE...so why was it given? That rules post is 2 years old, so people had to know it was illegal.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not usually one to join the "rabble rabble rabble" crowd..and I may have taken this out of context. But...




Your OP states that you feel the player base should not talk about the recent issues with "hackers, shady staff practices etc" or question GM decisions due to the potential of scaring away new players. Which is a valid concern.

However, according to you the topic of the thread is a group of people acting in a manner which is detrimental to the server.

In my opinion 365 accounts caught hacking is far more detrimental to the server than people talking about it. And that is all they are doing, is talking. As far as I can tell the user base has not sent an ultimatum to Nilbog stating that he has to ban every cheater on the server or they will boycott it.

For one he would not care as he has said many previous times and two, it is not our place to demand anything. It is his sandbox, who are we to demand he removes the cat shit in it.

However I still feel we should be able to talk about it. If a new player actual takes the time to read some of the posts he will see 99% of the drama and issues on the server are located in a very small portion of the player base and zones..namely raid areas. Yes people used the hack suite in normal zones and that is detrimental to all our playing. But, not enough to avoid the server entirely. This is by far the best thing out there for Classic EQ cheaters or no. And while the response to the cheaters was too little in many of our opinions that does not change the fact that there was a response and it was in the right direction.

Censoring free speech here will just lead to a private forum somewhere else where people can speak their minds without fear of big brother censoring their threads. And that in its self will harm this server than any thread posted here.

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

The fact that that is all you got out of my post is somewhat disappointing.

[Salty]

I too agree with bob.

We should boycott until these cheaters are perma banned.

Wipe it clean.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

see the difference between Tamiah's posts and mine, HBB? Something like that is the epitome of not making a single point and being detrimental to the health of the server.

People raising legitimate points, especially in a critical time like this, shouldn't be silenced and should have the community there to read their arguments and judge for themselves instead of a direct line to the staff that may or may not work

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your OP states that you feel the player base should not talk about the recent issues with "hackers, shady staff practices etc" or question GM decisions due to the potential of scaring away new players. Which is a valid concern.

However, according to you the topic of the thread is a group of people acting in a manner which is detrimental to the server.

That is two ways of saying the same thing. Obviously, "detrimental to the server" references driving away new and old players.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion 365 accounts caught hacking is far more detrimental to the server than people talking about it.

I agree with you up to this point.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that is all they are doing, is talking.

This is where our understandings break. They were talking about it, up to several days ago. Now they are rousing rabble in an attempt to undermine Project 1999. There are various subgroups with various motivations for doing so, and anyone who has been here for a while would need to be blind not to see that. I am all for civil discourse, but what is going on on these forums is not that anymore. What is going on now helps nobody and hurts everyone who wants to continue playing on p99.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I can tell the user base has not sent an ultimatum to Nilbog stating that he has to ban every cheater on the server or they will boycott it.

Nor would Nilbog be likely to acqueisce to such an ultimatum.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However I still feel we should be able to talk about it. If a new player actual takes the time to read some of the posts he will see 99% of the drama and issues on the server are located in a very small portion of the player base and zones..namely raid areas.

It isn't fair to ask new players to dig through a huge pile of shit to find a ball to play with. That is ridiculous. I'm not asking for the gestapo here, I'm asking that some judicious moderation be employed to stop the worst of the useless posts which are detrimental to the server.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Censoring free speech here will just lead to a private forum somewhere else where people can speak their minds without fear of big brother censoring their threads. And that in its self will harm this server than any thread posted here.

A private forum somewhere else would be fine by me at the very least. Also, comparing what I am proposing (judicious moderation on a private forum) to Orwellian domination of the population (IRL) is silly. You should be ashamed of yourself for being both educated enough to be able to make such a reference and at the same time childish enough to use it in a silly situation like this.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that that is all you got out of my post is somewhat disappointing.

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I too agree with bob.

We should boycott until these cheaters are perma banned.

Wipe it clean.

Bob, I rest my case with you.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me get this right, you want GM enforce how player talk on forums but not enforce the rules on game server?

I never said that. In fact I have given several indications that this is precisely not how I feel. However, I have said that the rules of the forums should not be set aside simply because a group of people feel that the rules of the game haven't been enforced to their liking.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I have said that the rules of the forums should not be set aside simply because a group of people feel that the rules of the game haven't been enforced.

Fixt.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixt.

Arguing semantics does nothing to help the server, Skope.