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03-22-2012, 06:02 PM
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03-22-2012, 06:39 PM
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I've tried to stay out of this garbage thread but quite honestly it's becoming nonsense so I will throw my two cents to HELP clear things up.
This is not a troll, take advantage of my seriousness. A bit about Holocaust, the server, etc.: Holocaust came into this server release with the best roster on paper that you could ask for of any EQ pvp server, live or emu. We came in cocky and rightfully so. As time progressed and people leveled, we inevitable lost a few members to the grind. When we had about a group approaching 40+, Lovely and other hardcore grinders were 50, trying to throw out their own form of griefing. This is how Nihilum was formed. Every 47+ on the server at one point formed Nihilum. Nacho, Emumu, Lovely, Troriste, Skelly, Hugeman, Jerrin, Silver, Nerfed, etc. Apologies if I missed someone. This really did not phase us, as we continued to level up as if there were no competition on the server. I'd say about 50% of our players hit 50 that we had came in with, 25% quit at this point, and 25% were still on the way to 50. We had plenty of skirmishes that we won quite frequently, I'm sure we lost a few but I can't really remember that many. Nihilum kept growing in numbers and eventually bagged Naggy. We cockblocked them a week or two later, stole their strat, and downed it ourselves. At this time our guilds were still neck and neck, despite being outnumbered roughly 2:1 by Nihilum. Once more people start hitting 50, Nihilum continues recruiting even to the point of absorbing Spear of the Nation and Uprising (which could've potentially been in high end competition scene if they had a spine.) The following week, we boot Nihilum out of SolB again, proceed to kill Naggy - BAM. 2 week guild wide ban for Holocaust. That was essentially the death blow to our guild. Trolls will say "Oh, keep your members in line", "Oh, don't exploit, you deserved it.". While I may agree partially with those statements, the punishment was absolutely absurd. The dragon is obviously broken and it was known from Blue. Nihilum players knew this strat, which is where we got it from. We essentially eat a ban for playing within the games allowed mechanics (Hello, GMs?). Since that two week ban, we have never recovered. Simply put. We lost 75% of our members, most of our leadership, most of our desire to play. That was a terrible judgement call set forth by GMs who are/were completely out of touch with the ebb and flow of the community. When the ban was lifted, we found ourselves with a small roster, missing many of our key players. We swallowed our pride and tried our hand at recruiting some decent players - not to match the zerg numbers, but to give us at least 1:2 odds again. No dice. We still sit around 15 players max to Nihilums 30+. Fear was then released, only compounding on the issue. Props to Nihilum, they have a roster that is made up of about 70% of the active 50 community, and at any given time they make up about 25 to 30% of the population online. They love pixels, and are getting them. Congrats. Had Holocaust mass invited anyone with a pulse, and Nihilum tried to keep a sense of camaraderie and pride, I bet the tables would be reversed. Unfortunately we enjoy competition and PVP so we did our best to try to keep that in tact. I guess that was just our fatal strategic mistake. I would rather log into a Vent with 15 cool pals than one with 50 randoms drooling over pixels. To each their own though. Anyways... this post is written with a defeatist attitude, however that is not the case. Some of us will go down with this ship. The ship being the server. On live, on VZTZ, skill played part in PVP fights. Casters had to run around and use levitate and ledges to hide and nuke, not just spam root and burn someone in one cast. CCing someone with root and snare was almost non existent in the high end PVP scene. Well geared melees in a bard group could chainsaw 10 people before they even caught resistance. Holocaust/Heresy was always extremely good because we played the PVP game well. We assisted better than everyone, we assist healed better than everyone, our PVP awareness was better than everyone. I still stand by those comments. However not many of us care to play on a server where melees are somewhat useless, resists are somewhat useless, and pure numbers win 100% of the time. This is why you see less Holocaust and less players on the server in general. Not because of XP loss on PVP, or because you guys have killed raid mobs before us. Quite honestly we do not care. We are never the first to 50, the first to kill dragons, the first to be fully geared. We're content with coming up at our own pace and using our skill to take over. Unfortunately this server was a carbon copy of Blue, with GMs not fit for keeping the Red community and play style in order. Our skill is rendered useless to a system that allows root nets to be utterly game breaking due to MR being useless. This server quite simply has been neglected from release. GM's non existent and/or clueless. Waffling on patches, waffling on rules. Punishments dished out, setting precedents, and then those very precedents are completely destroyed with the next ban. Someone trains, gets 3 days. Someone else trains, gets 10. Someone exploits IP exemptions, gets a warning. Non legit loot is still in game months later. Blue Diamonds are still in game 3 months later. Global OOC never was given a chance. Resists still broken. From my personal experience, half the time GM's have no clue what other GM's even said on certain subjects. Population sits sub 100 right now most of the time unless Nihilum is batphoning for a raid mob (then maybe 120 online). It's safe to say that this server is on the way down. Can it make a recovery? Sure it can. But I wouldn't expect to see results until big changes and transparency come into play. Why should the players care about this, and invest time, when the GM's simply have given up? And if they haven't given up, they've done a damn good job of convincing the community they have. If that is too long, don't read it. Whatever. Commence the troll thread. | ||
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#74
03-22-2012, 06:49 PM
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Thats really a silly ass excuse. Thats like a kid getting caught cheating at a test and whining "BUT HE DID IT TOO?!?" Almost as funny as "More lucky than exploit" but not quite. | |||
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03-22-2012, 06:59 PM
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#77
03-22-2012, 07:00 PM
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I agree with you that there's been a high level of neglect on the server from the people who are in positions to make the necessary changes(Amelinda/Sirken are certainly active, but the person the server needs is Rogean, who is inactive). This is a pretty common occurrence on private servers across many games, as well as small-market F2P games: developer attention wanes, and a lot of small problems turn into bigger ones via neglect. This doesn't make the game unplayable, but it does have a negative effect on player confidence, and(among other reasons) has resulted in the server's lack of population growth. You raise a number of good points in your post, and I can understand where your defeatist attitude comes from. I'm also encouraged to read that some of you are in for the long haul, however long or short that may be. I don't agree with everything you said, but you said it well. Props. | |||
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#78
03-22-2012, 07:05 PM
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The uprising members didn't join until after you guys were unbanned. Before that we had mid to low 20's at raids. When you guys came back from the ban you allied with uprising to block us from naggy and then failed to kill it. The next day most of the uprising members that had app'ed previously were invited. It was either zerg or be zerged. Most have since quit and our raid size is back in the mid 20's which is what you need to kill CT.
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#79
03-22-2012, 07:10 PM
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Uprising merger was the tipping point of this server. It looked like there was going to be some awesome competition, potentially a three way guild battle between returning holo / uprising / nihilum, and then it just turned into a one guild zerg fest. Killed the server imo. Those who want PVP can't really find it, will quit, those who are here for blue99 without poopsocking will quit once they, and their thirteen alts all have full planar gear and nothing to do except brag about items that are meaningless because charmed pets do 95% of the work on this server.
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