FIX RESISTS

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Wolfgang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i always thought vanilla wow had best pvp. massive open world faction based pvp. too bad blizzard trashed it. one thing i hate about eq pvp that can/will never change is zones. zones allow people to escape pvp, makes most engagements meaningless. i hate fighting near zonelines cuz you know loser gonna plug unless they legit like me.

Except there was nothing worthwhile to fight over, the world was fragmented between places you could and could not fight, and the biggest objectives and accomplishments could be completed entirely uncontested. While the pvp was great, at the end of the day it meant nothing. There was no measure of success, no true victory, no lasting impact made on the world itself (or its inhabitants) by your actions. Basically what you did from day to day all existed temporarily, and could be practically achieved by anyone... just like everything in WoW.

[Wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except there was nothing worthwhile to fight over, the world was fragmented between places you could and could not fight, and the biggest objectives and accomplishments could be completed entirely uncontested. While the pvp was great, at the end of the day it meant nothing. There was no measure of success, no true victory, no lasting impact made on the world itself (or its inhabitants) by your actions. Basically what you did from day to day all existed temporarily, and could be basically achieved by anyone... just like everything in WoW.

true i guess its just pvp to pvp but isnt that the same shit here? srs pvp here doesnt impact world. not sure where you goin with this.

[biscuits2455]

Originally Posted by bamzal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just want classic, classic is not getting perma stunned and raped by clerics. Clerics shouldn't be able land their magic based spells in high level pvp with 100+ MR.

Maybe you shouldnt stand at a zoneline at 10% life while a cleric chain nukes and stuns you to death even with resists? I mean... zone or something.

[heartbrand]

Resists weren't very helpful vs significantly higher level mobs on Live either. Fuck even in Live with 755 to all resists or w/e it's capped @ currently I still get hit by everything from NPC's. As far as the actual discussion, which is resists vs. PC's, it was known that almost all magic spells were completely worthless but yet hear even with 200+ MR I consistently get mezzed, nuked, etc. My only real complaint about it is that for a server that consistently tells us "you can't have X cuz not classic" it sure seems hard to change the BIGGEST aspect of EQ PVP which is resists, to not be classic. It doesn't hurt or help me so it's not a cry, just an observation. Personally, I have no issue with nukes being scaled by resists, but CC spells need to be almost 100% resistant above 100ish MR. No other game has CC spells the like that EQ does where you can literally lock people down an entire fight.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists weren't very helpful vs significantly higher level mobs on Live either. Fuck even in Live with 755 to all resists or w/e it's capped @ currently I still get hit by everything from NPC's. As far as the actual discussion, which is resists vs. PC's, it was known that almost all magic spells were completely worthless but yet hear even with 200+ MR I consistently get mezzed, nuked, etc. My only real complaint about it is that for a server that consistently tells us "you can't have X cuz not classic" it sure seems hard to change the BIGGEST aspect of EQ PVP which is resists, to not be classic. It doesn't hurt or help me so it's not a cry, just an observation. Personally, I have no issue with nukes being scaled by resists, but CC spells need to be almost 100% resistant above 100ish MR. No other game has CC spells the like that EQ does where you can literally lock people down an entire fight.

Dude i have a hell of a time landing mezzes, whirls etc on a raid buffed nihil..

Ill admit im still not finished with my sol ro tash, so i use a terrible tash, but i can still seem to land a mez 1/6ish on a well MR'd target. If youre say 47 or so, with 90 mr, be prepared to get mezzed 4/5 times, rooted 3/5 times.

[heartbrand]

Maybe I just have terrible luck but I got chain snared/bard mezzed vs Tune the other day @ 230~ MR, and you landed a Mezz on me for lol's the other day when I was bard buffed at 365 MR. That seems retarded to me.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I just have terrible luck but I got chain snared/bard mezzed vs Tune the other day @ 230~ MR, and you landed a Mezz on me for lol's the other day when I was bard buffed at 365 MR. That seems retarded to me.

I thought you said you never fought Bards? Also how the fuck did you get 365 MR without access to a Bard with a naggy drum?

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought you said you never fought Bards? Also how the fuck did you get 365 MR without access to a Bard with a naggy drum?

Just more heartbrand lies.

[kprobe]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought you said you never fought Bards? Also how the fuck did you get 365 MR without access to a Bard with a naggy drum?

Base mr of 186ish, gmr 50(55?), 2x62 bard songs, grand total of 360.

Naggy drums are 72 per song instead

[bamzal]

Apple you're gonna get a kick outta this one...

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...53&postcount=7
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=103

06-05-2000, 04:55 PM

A few things...

First off is flash of light will usually work on pets and make them go wild and just run around, though sometimes a pet will keep coming anyway, or get lucky and collide with you.

Being a cleric PvP is difficult in that it is very hard to kill anyone, though at the same time we are a very surviveable class for reason other posters have stated. At very low levels we meelee alright and get some good spells, so this is probably when we are at our peak offensively, by ourselves.

However by 50, our 500 point DD (retribution) is next to useless, it is so easy to resist. Most people you will be trying to kill with it, if theyre not completely inept, will be wearing a lot of throw away resistance gear. It only takes maybe 40 or 50 points of magic resistance and our spells will be doing next to no damage (maybe 100 dmg with luck, wont even dent a wizzie at that level). With a magic resistance of around 100, we can measure our dmg in the low 20's, if even that With smite at 14 and Wrath at 29 this is not such a big problem as a lot of the PKS arent as often equipped with gear like this, and our spells will land for better damage.

One of the biggest, most crucial things I've learned is that our level 5 or 9 dd (i forget which, tho i think lvl 5) is called Furor...and it cost under 20 mana with a cast time of something like 1.5. This spell is amazing- it interrupts an opponents casting 9 out of 10 times as long as their backs are not to a wall. Unlike our stuns which I used to use to interrupt casters, this spell is almost never resisted and costs virtually no mana.

Another two tricks concern enchanters, who can mesmerize us and tashan(i) us, both of which can really hurt our abilitys to fight. Any version of tashani will be canceled by our lvl 1 poison spell. Furthermore, having a dot on you will keep you from being mezzed ( a dotted thing cannot be mesmerized). So a necro or SK with disease cloud can make you immune to mez style spells

Finally, our buffs and pumices. At higher levels most pkers will lead with using a pumice stone (5 charges of dispell magic). This will strip us of all our wonderful buffs, which takes a lot of our ability to take damage away. I reccomend you do the same, carry pumices around hotkeyed and you can use them on pkers to nullify any buffs they have, or cancel snares/roots on yourself.

Hope this helps, and be a DE man no point in being human :P

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^ Thanks for helping me prove my point Neolm, such a relevant post.