PvP exp loss

[AffEcT]

So you guys wanna remove the only hard coded conscience?
Go Blue Go!

[Dullah]

I started on the 5th or 6th week of r99 - as usual heartbrand full of shit (still batting 1000 on dishonest posts). Server started Nov. 18th.
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More inductive reasoning, attempting to take some exception to over throw a rule. So, the guy who can't tell the truth to save his life, who was in two guilds filled with unsavory characters, rules 2% of Nihilum players to be bad according to his standards (lol) for something they once may (or may not) have done without surrounding circumstances.

Par for the course.

Have someone read this to you.

Originally Posted by Lazortag

edit: as for the point about nihilum being a zerg and how it apparently ruins the server, this is hogwash. Many people joined nilly because they saw it as an alternative to the racist loudmouths and griefers in holo and FF. If you don't want one guild to dominate, present an alternative guild for the players to join that isn't centered around griefing people and alienating your potential applicant pool.

[heartbrand]

Although Destin may have been rolled December 27th (consequently already very late into the server's development and shortly before the holo ban, so you already aren't an authority on what was happening then), we have screenshots and logs of you in your 20's in South Karana in late January. How can someone in his level 20's in late January, post holo-ban come on this board and pontificate about what was going on back then between holocaust and nihilum? You were a non-factor during that.

To respond to your other "point," well there's nothing to respond to, you simply restated your point. I spoke to many people, and since I actually use facts, I have no problems listing them, who all said they joined for the loot. Applesauce, Murderface, Madude, Elks, Sektor, Tehruoh, Bronkus, a couple of newer people that wouldn't appreciate me saying their names, plenty of others that I simply can't think of at the moment and that I'm too lazy to sift through screenshots for.

By the way, inductive reasoning involves making a conclusion that because X appears this way, therefore Y is that way as well. I have made no such claim here. I've stated many of the people I have spoken to have stated they joined nihilum for loot, and therefore it's safe to assume more people joined nihilum for loot beyond them. I put in a disclaimer that I'm sure there are those who did not and believe they are on some mythical EverQuest higher ground waiting to be awarded a nobel peace prize for abstaining from PVP or something like that. Inductive reasoning would imply I said that because one player said he joined for loot that I have therefore concluded ALL of nihilum joined for loot as an absolute conclusion.

[Dullah]

By screenshots and logs, u mean one guy (cast) with a /who showing me anonymous, while quad kiting cents/gnolls at lvl 37-39. I was 49 with ice comet 2 weeks later (before Feb) killing your homeboys in sol b.

Originally Posted by Fartbrand

Inductive reasoning would imply I said that because one player said he joined for loot that I have therefore concluded ALL of nihilum joined for loot as an absolute conclusion.

Or that 4 Nihilum once did something you felt was wrong, so Nihilum as a guild are bad guys.

The lies continue, but I digress.

Heartbrand perpetually dirtnapped on r99 server and forums. Never to recover. Forever butthurt.

[Tradesonred]

Personnally i didnt join Nihilum for the loot, more like because there was nothing else to do. FF and Holo werent really trying to boot them out of fear because of xp loss and i also got tired of the racism in FF.

Im sure if the dynamics of pvp guilds and who contests which zones end game would have been different (if it was easier to challenge zerg guilds with no xp loss in pvp), alot of people would have chosen to do something else.

It was either join Nihilum, and (for me a new zone) raid in fear, or pvp stragglers in front of fear once in a while and farm shit alone like the rubi BP for days on end.

To me just challenging Nihilum changes nothing to the problem.

Say Vae Victis wins over Nihilum in Kunark and breaks their will by making them incur heavy xp losses because the zones are open world and its harder for Nihi to just bottleneck a zone with overwhelming numbers.

Nihilums morale drops, people jump ship to Vae Victis which becomes the new zerg and we have the same problem again. Unchallengeable large roster guild having a stranglehold on the best loot in the game for long periods of time.

[heartbrand]

Except it specifically shows you asking for permission to camp the Hermit. Consequently, regardless of the authenticity of that log, your response confirms my entire point. You weren't present for any of the guild wars at that time of the server, you don't seem to dispute the date of the log that you were still quad kiting, whether it be in your 20's or 30's, which was late January, post holo-ban when the server had already gone to shit, but yet you come here talking about pre-ban times as if you are some authority on them when you're not. Thanks for proving my point.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: as for the point about nihilum being a zerg and how it apparently ruins the server, this is hogwash. Many people joined nilly because they saw it as an alternative to the racist loudmouths and griefers in holo and FF. If you don't want one guild to dominate, present an alternative guild for the players to join that isn't centered around griefing people and alienating your potential applicant pool.

This is very true and has been mentioned by several people on these boards (not in Nihilum).

If you want your guild to be a tight-nit bad of a dozen little skinheads running around and griefing the server all the time, well thats fine. This is a Sandbox, more power to you.

But then dont come cry on the forums because you cant slay-the-dragon or come cry to the forums and developers (Searyx..) to code in a fix to your guild's recruitment issues.

With samwise running the show with this Vae Victius guild, we just may have our first non-racist/non-griefer alternative guild in a long while. He has my (our) support, we have ZERO desire to "crush" him/his guild and want to see it thrive because that will lead to longer term server health.

[heartbrand]

Pretty sure the only people shouting racial and religious slurs in OOC are nihilum members currently.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by mindsculptor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but i will say that right now its hard to say Nihilum is a zerg guild. They do much of the content they currently raid with bare minimum numbers to actually succeed.

Another good and honest and clear eyed post by a new commer who's view is not tainted by old bitter grudges.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except it specifically shows you asking for permission to camp the Hermit. Consequently, regardless of the authenticity of that log, your response confirms my entire point. You weren't present for any of the guild wars at that time of the server, you don't seem to dispute the date of the log that you were still quad kiting, whether it be in your 20's or 30's, which was late January, post holo-ban when the server had already gone to shit, but yet you come here talking about pre-ban times as if you are some authority on them when you're not. Thanks for proving my point.

Strugglin' hard. Grasping at straws trying to cling to one little tiny point you wish was true, to finally feel like you got one over on me. No, it wasn't late January dumb ass.

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That was 2-5-12 @ lvl 50 after I spent a week camping manastone on my hotbar after I hit 50, weeks after joining Nihilum, and fighting over Naggy.

Go do "accountant"/"lawyer"/"professor" stuff or whatever it is your profession is this week oh teller of tales.