ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I finally just started Book 5 Part 1 so had to skip all the spoilers above
That said I can't wait to finish so I can read back on what you guys are posting and check out what subtleties I may have missed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

good!~ i remember a couple cliff hangers from there, arya blind, cersei in the tower, brienne screams a word, etc etc.

have fun!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Varys is a Targaryen loyalist because he is in fact a wizard and wants magic to grow stronger. He knows for a fact it exists and has been obsessed with it since he saw a demon summoned to the sacrifice of his manhood. It accounts for all his strange talents and motives. Either that, or he could be a Targaryen himself. His similar name, the fact he shaves his head (like Egg, who did it to disguise himself), there are clues.

You know that Oberyn actually killed Tywin Lannister? He was in the slow process of dying when Tyrion shot him.

Euron Greyjoy hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon. The dwarf witch saw it.

explain these please!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Wall must certainly fall, for plot alone, or else the realm is never in any danger.

pffft!!

dragons = danger!

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pffft!!

dragons = danger!

Dragons are nothing but magic made life. They're a weapon, a tool. Dany is the only one that can probably control them (though the dragon horn opens up interesting scenarios). Therefore, they are tied inextricably to her own destiny and as she is a moralistic person, and now experienced ruler, the odds are vanishingly small of the dragons doing any kind of real damage to the "good team."

The climax will be Ice vs Fire, the Others vs Azor Ahai, for the Battle of the Dawn. Not Fire vs peasants. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slave]

Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister when he met him for a snack in his solar. Around this time, he tells Tyrion, "everyone dies, the old man won't be around forever," or something to that effect. Tywin's corpse was stinking and he was shitting his guts out just before he died, the effects of which are tied to a certain poison.

At some point, the Brotherhood Without Banners pays a dwarf witch with Tom's song for her visions. She sees A TON OF STUFF, including a Faceless Man meeting Balon on the rope bridge between towers. This vision sequence, along with Dany's in the House of the Undying, forms the basis for a lot of the conclusions that have been drawn on the series.

Varys is either a Targaryen or a wizard or both, I am absolutely convinced. His strange powers of information and disguise, his actual prior experience with sorcery, which left him radically changed - physically, intellectually, and emotionally. The strange gleam in his eye and his un-Varys like directness in the telling of the story to Tyrion... these are the kinds of things that add up in GRRM's world.

We know that Varys came from the East, another possible indicator of his Targaryen heritage. "Beware of the eunuch. He knows things that he should not." -Ned

Illyrio actually calls him a magician under the Red Keep near the dragon bones when Arya overhears them.

Anyway, nothing else that Varys has revealed has convinced me that it would cause him to support the Targaryens. The other story that he wove for Tyrion, that he found his place in the world at court, etc, it doesn't ring true whatsoever, does it? The real take-away from Varys is that he was gelded in an arcane ceremony that he undoubtedly remembers extremely vividly. "I will never forget that voice..." I think it's a very easy intuitive leap from there, to wizard.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

brienne screams a word, etc etc.

I believe the word she screamed was ARYA

She had knowledge of her existence in Saltpans.

And really, what else would stop unCat from her hangwoman duties?

[Prince]

Ned recognized Varys, master of guise? sure. but hes not changing faces or Ned would not have recognized him in the dungeon.


ned didnt recognize him in the dungeon you moron he had to tell ned who he was

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister when he met him for a snack in his solar. Around this time, he tells Tyrion, "everyone dies, the old man won't be around forever," or something to that effect. Tywin's corpse was stinking and he was shitting his guts out just before he died, the effects of which are tied to a certain poison.

it surely fits, but its something i must have overlooked. it sure has my attention now though.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At some point, the Brotherhood Without Banners pays a dwarf witch with Tom's song for her visions. She sees A TON OF STUFF, including a Faceless Man meeting Balon on the rope bridge between towers. This vision sequence, along with Dany's in the House of the Undying, forms the basis for a lot of the conclusions that have been drawn on the series.

do you recall what book these dorf witch's visions are from? i fear drunk reading has cost me valuable information.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Varys is either a Targaryen or a wizard or both, I am absolutely convinced. His strange powers of information and disguise, his actual prior experience with sorcery, which left him radically changed - physically, intellectually, and emotionally. The strange gleam in his eye and his un-Varys like directness in the telling of the story to Tyrion... these are the kinds of things that add up in GRRM's world.

We know that Varys came from the East, another possible indicator of his Targaryen heritage. "Beware of the eunuch. He knows things that he should not." -Ned

Illyrio actually calls him a magician under the Red Keep near the dragon bones when Arya overhears them.

Anyway, nothing else that Varys has revealed has convinced me that it would cause him to support the Targaryens. The other story that he wove for Tyrion, that he found his place in the world at court, etc, it doesn't ring true whatsoever, does it? The real take-away from Varys is that he was gelded in an arcane ceremony that he undoubtedly remembers extremely vividly. "I will never forget that voice..." I think it's a very easy intuitive leap from there, to wizard.

i will say, you sir have impressed me more so than any one else when it comes to possible theories on Varys. way to notice and remember things that dont seem important at the time.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe the word she screamed was ARYA

She had knowledge of her existence in Saltpans.

And really, what else would stop unCat from her hangwoman duties?

she screamed "SWORD!" Lady Stoneheart (aka unCat) tells Brienne "Choose, Sword or Rope" (meaning swear your sword to Cat and go kill Jaime, or hang to death on the end of a rope. she choose Sword when she saw Pod hanging/choking)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Prince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ned recognized Varys, master of guise? sure. but hes not changing faces or Ned would not have recognized him in the dungeon.
ned didnt recognize him in the dungeon you moron he had to tell ned who he was

im sorry buddy, it just doesn't fit. and the reason he had to tell Ned who he was is because Ned could not see a damned thing in the black cells.