ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Slave]

R+L=J because Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree, and everything follows very clearly from there.

Varys is a Targaryen loyalist because he is in fact a wizard and wants magic to grow stronger. He knows for a fact it exists and has been obsessed with it since he saw a demon summoned to the sacrifice of his manhood. It accounts for all his strange talents and motives. Either that, or he could be a Targaryen himself. His similar name, the fact he shaves his head (like Egg, who did it to disguise himself), there are clues.

Tyrion is probably a Targaryen and one of the heads of the dragon. Tywin's hatred, dragon dreams, his dwarfism, Barristan's tale, the evidence is there. The mummer's dragon is Aegon.

The Hound was clearly the gravedigger and will likely fight unGregor for the Faith. To what conclusion is anyone's guess. We still have about ZERO idea what is going on with Margaery. Cersei is showing signs of connivance once more, as well... and we know that Jaime the Valonquar will kill her, in his increasingly moralistic defense of the Kingdom.

We know for a fact that Bloodraven is Brynden Rivers.

Lightbringer is probably the dragons, making Dany Azor Ahai, and Drogo Nissa Nissa. :P

Osha took Rickon to Skagos, where Manderly sent Davos.

You know that Oberyn actually killed Tywin Lannister? He was in the slow process of dying when Tyrion shot him.

Jon is almost definitely alive, or will be reborn. I am not convinced the assassination attempt was successful. There were lots of free folk, Jon loyalists, and even an angry giant nearby with reason to protect Jon. "He never felt" the rest of the blows. Maybe because they never landed... but he cannot meet his end there, because his is the song of ice and fire. He is Targaryen + Stark, literally ice and fire.

In any case, Jon is not needed to defeat the Boltons. Stannis is there, several Umbers are there, Asha Greyjoy is there, Theon is there; Roose just sent the Manderleys and Ramsay's men into the snow. All told it is enough to put paid to the Boltons for good.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Varys is a Targaryen loyalist because he is in fact a wizard and wants magic to grow stronger. He knows for a fact it exists and has been obsessed with it since he saw a demon summoned to the sacrifice of his manhood. It accounts for all his strange talents and motives. Either that, or he could be a Targaryen himself. His similar name, the fact he shaves his head (like Egg, who did it to disguise himself), there are clues.

You know that Oberyn actually killed Tywin Lannister? He was in the slow process of dying when Tyrion shot him.

Euron Greyjoy hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon. The dwarf witch saw it.

explain these please!

[Slave]

Euron Greyjoy hired a Faceless Man to kill Balon. The dwarf witch saw it.

[Slave]

The Wall must certainly fall, for plot alone, or else the realm is never in any danger.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Wall must certainly fall, for plot alone, or else the realm is never in any danger.

pffft!!

dragons = danger!

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pffft!!

dragons = danger!

Dragons are nothing but magic made life. They're a weapon, a tool. Dany is the only one that can probably control them (though the dragon horn opens up interesting scenarios). Therefore, they are tied inextricably to her own destiny and as she is a moralistic person, and now experienced ruler, the odds are vanishingly small of the dragons doing any kind of real damage to the "good team."

The climax will be Ice vs Fire, the Others vs Azor Ahai, for the Battle of the Dawn. Not Fire vs peasants. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slave]

Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister when he met him for a snack in his solar. Around this time, he tells Tyrion, "everyone dies, the old man won't be around forever," or something to that effect. Tywin's corpse was stinking and he was shitting his guts out just before he died, the effects of which are tied to a certain poison.

At some point, the Brotherhood Without Banners pays a dwarf witch with Tom's song for her visions. She sees A TON OF STUFF, including a Faceless Man meeting Balon on the rope bridge between towers. This vision sequence, along with Dany's in the House of the Undying, forms the basis for a lot of the conclusions that have been drawn on the series.

Varys is either a Targaryen or a wizard or both, I am absolutely convinced. His strange powers of information and disguise, his actual prior experience with sorcery, which left him radically changed - physically, intellectually, and emotionally. The strange gleam in his eye and his un-Varys like directness in the telling of the story to Tyrion... these are the kinds of things that add up in GRRM's world.

We know that Varys came from the East, another possible indicator of his Targaryen heritage. "Beware of the eunuch. He knows things that he should not." -Ned

Illyrio actually calls him a magician under the Red Keep near the dragon bones when Arya overhears them.

Anyway, nothing else that Varys has revealed has convinced me that it would cause him to support the Targaryens. The other story that he wove for Tyrion, that he found his place in the world at court, etc, it doesn't ring true whatsoever, does it? The real take-away from Varys is that he was gelded in an arcane ceremony that he undoubtedly remembers extremely vividly. "I will never forget that voice..." I think it's a very easy intuitive leap from there, to wizard.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oberyn Martell poisoned Tywin Lannister when he met him for a snack in his solar. Around this time, he tells Tyrion, "everyone dies, the old man won't be around forever," or something to that effect. Tywin's corpse was stinking and he was shitting his guts out just before he died, the effects of which are tied to a certain poison.

it surely fits, but its something i must have overlooked. it sure has my attention now though.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At some point, the Brotherhood Without Banners pays a dwarf witch with Tom's song for her visions. She sees A TON OF STUFF, including a Faceless Man meeting Balon on the rope bridge between towers. This vision sequence, along with Dany's in the House of the Undying, forms the basis for a lot of the conclusions that have been drawn on the series.

do you recall what book these dorf witch's visions are from? i fear drunk reading has cost me valuable information.

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Varys is either a Targaryen or a wizard or both, I am absolutely convinced. His strange powers of information and disguise, his actual prior experience with sorcery, which left him radically changed - physically, intellectually, and emotionally. The strange gleam in his eye and his un-Varys like directness in the telling of the story to Tyrion... these are the kinds of things that add up in GRRM's world.

We know that Varys came from the East, another possible indicator of his Targaryen heritage. "Beware of the eunuch. He knows things that he should not." -Ned

Illyrio actually calls him a magician under the Red Keep near the dragon bones when Arya overhears them.

Anyway, nothing else that Varys has revealed has convinced me that it would cause him to support the Targaryens. The other story that he wove for Tyrion, that he found his place in the world at court, etc, it doesn't ring true whatsoever, does it? The real take-away from Varys is that he was gelded in an arcane ceremony that he undoubtedly remembers extremely vividly. "I will never forget that voice..." I think it's a very easy intuitive leap from there, to wizard.

i will say, you sir have impressed me more so than any one else when it comes to possible theories on Varys. way to notice and remember things that dont seem important at the time.

[Slave]

I am pretty sure both vision sequences are in A Clash of Kings.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i will say, you sir have impressed me more so than any one else when it comes to possible theories on Varys. way to notice and remember things that dont seem important at the time.

As the master of information and a seeker of arcane knowledge, Varys undoubtedly knows the connection between dragons and magic. I think that his is a game to put Dany on top, so that he will have unlimited power vis a vis dragon magic, forever.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am pretty sure both vision sequences are in A Clash of Kings.



As the master of information and a seeker of arcane knowledge, Varys undoubtedly knows the connection between dragons and magic. I think that his is a game to put Dany on top, so that he will have unlimited power vis a vis dragon magic, forever.

and i know you could argue Varys knows what he knows because of his little birds. but if i recall, he was one of (if not) the first person in westeros to know (or sense/feel) that the dragons have returned. and thats only relevant because we know that dragons = magic, and while he wouldnt sense the dragons, he would be able to feel the magic returning to the world and put two and two together.

i dont know if i mentioned this earlier or not, but just in case i did not, we have some info from GRRM's website about book 6. we now KNOW Ramsay's letter to Jon was bullshit, because we know that Stannis is alive now. which means we dont know if he has Mance or not. he could have skinned a woman until she spilled the beans about Mance. we also KNOW that Theon and Jeyne Poole made it to Stannis, and that Stannis has sent Jeyne to the wall as a gift to Jon (Stannis thinks Jeyne is Arya) for telling him to get the northern tribes before walking into the karstark/bolton trap. However, in Jons current situation, he will be hard for him to say thats not the real Arya.

we also know that book 6 is going to start off with two big battles. one has to be for Mereen as that was left unanswered with too many powerhouse characters in the area. but then the second battle has absolutely got to be Stannis and company versus Winterfell and the Boltons. i feel the Manderlys will also join Stannis, but theres nothing on GRRMs site about it.

also i think the tv show, season 3, will end with the red wedding. its really the only decent stopping point near the middle of book3, and if they stick to their guns about splitting the book into two seasons, well i just dont see another place to end the season while keeping people happy/immersed.