Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just keep racking up the silly posts. It just discredits you further[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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We’re all still waiting for you to join a high dps group and show us what you’re capable of.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We’re all still waiting for you to join a high dps group and show us what you’re capable of.

We are all still waiting for you to provide any data that you don't claim is inaccurate[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your current data disproves your points. You should be able to prove your parser is underestimating all DPS by 30%, and not conveniently just the Monk who is pulling. I have hard evidence. You have data you claim isn't accurate. The burden of proof is on you.

For people who want the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For people who want the current data:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ignore the trolls. Anybody can look at the post history of people who think they aren't trolling.

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can claim there is evidence of trolling in my post history, but that does not make it a fact. Please provide evidence?

[Troxx]

11 pages to go

[plzrelax]

I think you need a vacation

[cyxthryth]

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I think you need a vacation

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[PlsNoBan]

Every second that passes where DSM isn't the most recent post in the thread you can almost hear his mental anguish over the internet

[Vexenu]

I actually took the time to examine DSM's videos (because it is charitable to entertain the whims of the less fortunate every now and then).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-g8Ywibztg

In this video we see his pet solo killing a seb golem (7500 hp) in approximately 7 minutes. That's 7500hp/420 sec = 17.9 DPS from the pet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E

In this video we see DSM spamming a combination of Ice Strike, Canni and Torpor to kill the seb golem in approximately 3m38s. This is 7500hp/218 sec = 34.4 DPS. Note that this is roughly comparable to the DPS a Shaman can put out simply by spamming the JBB (32.9 DPS).

We combine the pet DPS + his nuke DPS to get a total sustined DPS of 52.3 (50.7 using JBB). It's very respectable for a priest, certainly better than what a Cleric or a non-charming Druid could do. But literally no one has ever argued otherwise. But it still falls far short of what a Mage is going to put out, not to mention the fact that DSM is already down to 40% mana after killing a single mob. What's going to happen to his mana bar when he's in a group chain pulling for two hours? He's not going to be able to keep up, and will be reduced to doing exactly what I said would be his best DPS option: clicking /pet attack and spamming his JBB. In other words, performing as a half-rate Mage doing about 50 sustained DPS.

If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually took the time to examine DSM's videos (because it is charitable to entertain the whims of the less fortunate every now and then).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-g8Ywibztg

In this video we see his pet solo killing a seb golem (7500 hp) in approximately 7 minutes. That's 7500hp/420 sec = 17.9 DPS from the pet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwiGKTuu2E

In this video we see DSM spamming a combination of Ice Strike, Canni and Torpor to kill the seb golem in approximately 3m38s. This is 7500hp/218 sec = 34.4 DPS. Note that this is roughly comparable to the DPS a Shaman can put out simply by spamming the JBB (32.9 DPS).

We combine the pet DPS + his nuke DPS to get a total sustined DPS of 52.3 (50.7 using JBB). It's very respectable for a priest, certainly better than what a Cleric or a non-charming Druid could do. But literally no one has ever argued otherwise. But it still falls far short of what a Mage is going to put out, not to mention the fact that DSM is already down to 40% mana after killing a single mob. What's going to happen to his mana bar when he's in a group chain pulling for two hours? He's not going to be able to keep up, and will be reduced to doing exactly what I said would be his best DPS option: clicking /pet attack and spamming his JBB. In other words, performing as a half-rate Mage doing about 50 sustained DPS.

If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

Thanks for responding instead of just trolling, backhanded comments aside.

The DPS is 35 for the nukes, because it is two casts every 36 seconds. You wouldn't count the entire video length in this specific scenario. You are correct a JBB could indeed output a similar DPS if you wanted to not spend mana. The request was for testing without clickies, so that is what we had to work with.

Mana-wise the Mage is far worse off, they will not be nuking at all after a few more mobs. Once the Mage has drained their mana pool, they can only nuke every 84 seconds because they can only regenerate 200 mana per minute. The test was not using C2. The Shaman can easily keep their mana up due to breaks in mobs, mobs that die a bit slower, etc. Remember I am testing under the assumption that the group is fighting a mob every 36 seconds without break, which is honestly unrealistic.

Also remember this is making the assumption your group is fighting mobs that die in only 36 seconds. A Shaman's DPS increases when a Mob takes longer to die, while a Mage is still bound by their mana.

I would love to see any new evidence! Currently a Mage is only 27ish DPS ahead of a Shaman, which isn't much if your group is killing a mob with 8000 HP every 36 seconds. That means your group has 222 DPS, and an increase of 30 DPS is only reducing kill time by 6 seconds. A Shaman's broader toolkit can help the group out in other ways, which means you are saving time elsewhere, instead of during the kill.

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Taking bets on who the 2 votes for me are? I'd say there's like a 99.99% chance it's DSM and DSM's phone.

Oh I didn't even know you actually made a poll. Lol looks like someone got angry and voted 14 times with a VPN[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Thanks to the two votes, whoever you are.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I didn't even know you actually made a poll

I'll put odds of this statement being true at 0.0000001%