Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Funkutron5000]

I think it would require a gentleman's agreement, and, well, we know that ain't happening.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

already did this earlier in the week because of this thread. z axis is still messed up. stuff popping through walls still happens. and by staying along a certain set of walls (you know which walls im sure) ANY class can keep the mobs pathing back and over the the zone-in spot forever and safely with relative ease.

So guys, please dont say pathing is fine / fixed, because its not. that being said, part of the agreement with us releasing VP when we did was because we were aware that the pathing wasn't great, players didnt care, so we told them that we would release the zone on the condition that it would be a p99 style non CSR zone, and that essentially the ONLY thing we'd do is enforce rules against cheating the game mechanics, IE: fighting dragons where they are unable to fight back (this is different that EQLive non csr, if anyone quotes the EQLive non CSR rules again im going to tear my eyes out because facepalm doesnt cut for some of you anymore).

Yeah, I figured it hadn't improved that much since the last time I was in (better than release, but not where it really needs to be).

As far as abusing VP pathing... I have no idea what you're talking about [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, is there no hope for the folks who want to raid VP without trains?

Sirken already mentioned what you could do, but it didn't involve staff stepping in.

Know it's not the answer you wanted, but now you guys have an official response and can move on to solving this problem in another way.

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, is there no hope for the folks who want to raid VP without trains?

there are plenty of other servers out there. you could even start your own! maybe if you championed a worthy cause that wasn't about pixel welfare for you and your guild you would have greater success.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I figured it hadn't improved that much since the last time I was in (better than release, but not where it really needs to be).

As far as abusing VP pathing... I have no idea what you're talking about [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]




Sirken already mentioned what you could do, but it didn't involve staff stepping in.

Know it's not the answer you wanted, but now you guys have an official response and can move on to solving this problem in another way.

Aka wait till velious. /sigh

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are plenty of other servers out there. you could even start your own! maybe if you championed a worthy cause that wasn't about pixel welfare for you and your guild you would have greater success.

So you think being able to keep guilds out of a zone through training makes you somehow more entitled to pixels? lol

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aka wait till velious. /sigh

Wait or maybe see if Nilbog could use any assistance.

IF you guys really wanted some VP mobs, you should push to get the variance removed in VP. Seeing how training is allowed, no one is going to really be able to poop sock and you would have ample time to get raids together with all the non-tmo VP keyed people to take out targets and cause TMO problems.

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you think being able to keep guilds out of a zone through training makes you somehow more entitled to pixels? lol

nobody is 'entitled' to pixels. constantly trolling the forums to rile up support for rules to benefit you would be a lot less pathetic if FE was still at least trying within the current ruleset. don't you remember how great it felt 6 months ago when you guys killed druushk? not too late to turn back

it could be time to put in a TMO app tasslehof. you are actually a good player; i think your chances are quite good

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

already did this earlier in the week because of this thread. z axis is still messed up. stuff popping through walls still happens. and by staying along a certain set of walls (you know which walls im sure) ANY class can keep the mobs pathing back and over the the zone-in spot forever and safely with relative ease.

So guys, please dont say pathing is fine / fixed, because its not. that being said, part of the agreement with us releasing VP when we did was because we were aware that the pathing wasn't great, players didnt care, so we told them that we would release the zone on the condition that it would be a p99 style non CSR zone, and that essentially the ONLY thing we'd do is enforce rules against cheating the game mechanics, IE: fighting dragons where they are unable to fight back (this is different that EQLive non csr, if anyone quotes the EQLive non CSR rules again im going to tear my eyes out because facepalm doesnt cut for some of you anymore).

It's been almost 2 years since VP was released. What can the players who wish to see pathing fixed and training become a complete non-factor inside of VP do to help resolve these pathing issues?

Can there be some sort of binding agreement that players who are in the zone in order to research these pathing issues cannot be trained by TMO, FE, or anyone else?

In his previous post, Nilbog mentioned that the pathing changes have been fixed for over a month now and he has not heard any news from players in regards to poor pathing. TMO is the only guild that spends a considerable amount of time in the zone, and it would appear they have no incentive to report buggy pathing (since they use it to aid their training of others or pull dragons).

How can we change that so that pathing gets fixed? What can we do?

[Shinko]

its fucking bad, TMO still avoids my trains from fake walls and other means

[SCB]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody is 'entitled' to pixels.

I dont have a dog in this fight, but it really bugs me that people think "entitled" means something other than it means. Being able to perma-train the entrance to a zone at will entitles you to pixels within said zone, because no one can contest it. TMO absolutely thinks they are entitled to any damn pixels they want, because they have the force to reliably control a majority of said pixels.

en·ti·tle [en-tahyt-l] Show IPA
verb (used with object), en·ti·tled, en·ti·tling.
1.
to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim: His executive position entitled him to certain courtesies rarely accorded others.

Any time someone uses the phrase "entitlement generation" I want to punch them in the balls.