End of the rotation?

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

have more people behind those keyboards who are able to/willing to jump in online and race for a mob at whatever time is necessary to be successful.

Those aren't excuses for BDA, they are the reality.

Then why add so many excessive rules to break that reality behind Class R?

If the issue is that multiple guilds are exploiting multiple slots on the rotation then do one of two things (or both I'm not a cop or your mom):

1) Lock out the allied guilds that participate in a kill for an appropriate timeframe
2) Force the allied guilds to split the loot next time the same way so the net gain is that neither guild gets more than their share of loot, in essence creating an actual alliance of guilds that can then choose to participate with each other and have the headaches that come with it.


I mean seriously... rules upon rules only necessitates the need for more rules so the first ones continue to make sense. You don't need tiers and all this other shit to make it work.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we've acknowledged that on multiple occasions. I'll acknowledge it now - and won't try to spin/sugar coat it either.

IB's fucking razor sharp, RAZOR sharp. They are humming on all cylinders and have a vast amount of experience contesting content at the highest level of "competition"....which breeds success.

TMO still has more active and available characters for raid content than BDA does, and the more important part to that is they have more people behind those keyboards who are able to/willing to jump in online and race for a mob at whatever time is necessary to be successful.

Those aren't excuses for BDA, they are the reality.

This guy gets it.

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, Class C is about unemployed neckbeard FTE lawyer-questing, holding onto 3-month-old FRAPS to use against the other guild when they get something on you, sending out petitions before the mob even dies, planting spies/moles in other guilds for full immersion, and posting real-life pics on public boards in order to drive away any actual competition. Class R guilds want nothing to do with that meta-game the true neckbeards have created. Don't deny it, because there's about 4-5 years of post history on these boards to support it, along with a Rogean-forced raid scene revamp to free the Class R guilds from being subjected to it.

Who the fuck are you to decide to drag a guild who wants no part of that shitfest kicking and screaming into it, voluntarily.

What we are asking of the other guilds (to log in to kill their rotated mobs in a timely fashion, or to ally up as a consistent alliance to do so, or to only be in the rotation for mobs they can actually consistently kill) is nowhere near the above level of douchebaggery described above, so don't even try to compare the two in order to further your agenda of trying to cripple a guild that cost you some pixels over a year ago by forcing them to enter your shithole idea of how the game should be played. It's blatantly obvious what your agenda is here.

And please, stop insulting everyone's intelligence by continuing to call what you do "competition." You can't sit there and goad BDA by stating that they should come Class C if they really want to "compete" when we can just as easily ask the Class C guilds why they haven't moved over completely to the PVP server if they get such hard erections over the premise of "competition". If we're supposedly slumming it up in Class R, you're definitely fucking slumming it up on a PVE server, right?

So if you're "competing" to be the bigger alleged hypocrites, you win, bros. You win.

This guy doesn't get it and is a whiny bitch.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why add so many excessive rules to break that reality behind Class R?

If the issue is that multiple guilds are exploiting multiple slots on the rotation then do one of two things (or both I'm not a cop or your mom):

1) Lock out the allied guilds that participate in a kill for an appropriate timeframe
2) Force the allied guilds to split the loot next time the same way so the net gain is that neither guild gets more than their share of loot, in essence creating an actual alliance of guilds that can then choose to participate with each other and have the headaches that come with it.


I mean seriously... rules upon rules only necessitates the need for more rules so the first ones continue to make sense. You don't need tiers and all this other shit to make it work.

There were already rules upon rules upon rules. The Rotation pre-dismantling wasn't exactly made on a 1 line document.

It's not as simple as you reduce it down to.

We can't just MAKE anyone do anything - that's why there were lengthy discussions and talks. Unfortunately, for the time being, the talks are on hold - but allowing everyone some time to step back and really not worry about the terms of a "peace treaty" will hopefully bring some new ideas and some introspective/self-assessment by the guilds in Class R...BDA included. When the time is right, I'm sure we'll all be back at the table trying to hammer out a new agreement - if that's what everyone wants at that time.

There's about a million more things, but this isn't the forum for it....I've had many talks with individuals from many of the Class R guilds - and still am open and talking to them today.

Turning Class R into a little competitive environment doesn't mean that any one guild is shitting on another - the lockouts prevent total domination of any one guild.

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll excitedly wait for BDA/Taken to move into class C where they belong. Maybe if one of those guilds move up into Class C, rumble repops will start happening again.

Going to C would actually require level 60 toons - a milestone many of the players in these guilds are objectively incapable of reaching, and it would also require actual in-game effort instead of forumquesting.

"C-Lite" is such an incredibly stupid "playstyle" - - just when everybody thought the neckbeards couldn't outdo themselves

[Cecily]

Again, you're turning Class R into an environment similar to pre-raid rules P99. TMO has simply been replaced by 3 entities, which is, as Catholicism has taught us, a perfectly acceptable way to manifest as an imaginary deity in a given universe.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Turning Class R into a little competitive environment doesn't mean that any one guild is shitting on another - the lockouts prevent total domination of any one guild.

But if the point of Class R is for restricted, rotated content, creating a competitive environment within the class means all you've done is create a protected haven for yourselves and put out other guilds in the process. This is why a lot of people think some of the Class R guilds should go C: they do not participate in FFA which is the "competitive environment" and want to reorganize the Class R raid schedule in the favor of a few guilds who can take time to sit AFK outside of fear portals and mobilize immediately upon spawn. This is the exact same "competitive environment" that happens in Class C and FFA. In short, "competing" but not with those who want to "compete."

[Aadill]

FFA in Class C

FFA in FFA

FFA in Class R

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if the point of Class R is for restricted, rotated content, creating a competitive environment within the class means all you've done is create a protected haven for yourselves and put out other guilds in the process. This is why a lot of people think some of the Class R guilds should go C: they do not participate in FFA which is the "competitive environment" and want to reorganize the Class R raid schedule in the favor of a few guilds who can take time to sit AFK outside of fear portals and mobilize immediately upon spawn. This is the exact same "competitive environment" that happens in Class C and FFA. In short, "competing" but not with those who want to "compete."

The point of Class R was restricted ability to engage mobs. Nothing in the GM/Dev statements at the formation of the classes included a Rotation. The Rotation was player made, and to much extent, player enforced.

The GM's were involved in the Rotation to make sure that those IN the Rotation weren't going to exclude those outside it, if they wanted to join.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy doesn't get it and is a whiny bitch.

Now that we've heard a response from a 3rd grader, we can actually discuss the hypocrisy of Class C staying PVE while throwing stones at Class R for tightening the reins on how the rotation was being gamed by smaller guilds.