Real Question here

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of bitterness here raev... All the mobs spawn during the weekend then class c is the same as class r we group and play eq.... It's not much different.

Difference being Raev has no one/very few in his guild who wants to stare at a spawn for 16 hours straight. Or even 2 hours. Nor does the guild want to mandate or even ask people to stare at a wall for hours.

That shouldn't be what raiding is like. And it isn't what it's like in Class R.

It's, camp a ranger in zone. Group with some guildies, every hour log the ranger on to track. If mob is up, batphone goes out. If not, camp and resume grouping, tradeskilling, soloing or ForumQuesting. Or watch Netflix, football, pron... Whatever floats your boat.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually TMO is very willing to work with others. Sorry you're so jaded you can't see that. On another note, deru says alterations can be made, is the raid forum the only place for this? It seems it's very void of discussion or one guild says "we don't agree" then just ghosts the convo...

TMO is not willing to work on anything unless it's completely beneficial to them. You have zero clue as to what your leadership actually says behind the scenes but you're out here toeing the company line. I had Unbrella tell me TMO will work with IB if necessary to maintain the flow of pixels if it means keeping class R locked out of content.

Class R is the epitome of working with people, we don't have FrapsQuest standoffs at every raid encounter, guilds raid with a level of decency that TMO or IB can't even fathom, and the big guilds don't crush the little guilds for the sake of extra pixels. Put your fucking money where you mouth is because the class R guilds have been for nearly a year now.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd actually like to keep this out of RnF, if possible, because then any chance for constructive discourse goes out the window.

If you guys want things to change, post in raid discussion with your various ideas and suggestions. If it's clear there's enough support for the removal or modification of rules, they'll get changed. Right now there is no desire to change/review any of the rules because it's felt that everyone is happy with the current rule-set. If that's not the case, express it with forum threads.

I think we have a number of rules that are needlessly complicated and overwhelmingly complex, especially for guilds new to the raid scene. There has been more than one guild that's had a difficult time grasping how everything works when trying to enter the raid scene in recent months, and that's not good. But we've talked about it before in the past, and until you guys show us you don't like the way things are, nothing is going to even get looked at.

(As a side note, in regards to how mobility actually takes place, as of right now if you are a Class R guild that wants to move to Class C, all you have to do is kill a Class C spawn. I believe we decided that downing a VP dragon would also result in a transition to Class C. As far as the reverse goes - Class C to Class R - we don't want to discourage guilds from trying to move to Class C because they're afraid of doing poorly and getting stuck, so moving back to Class R won't be restrictively difficult. A request to the staff is likely all that would be needed. I will say that anyone who moves up to Class C should expect to stay there for at least a couple weeks to a month, regardless of performance. We'd want any guild that moves to Class C to give it their best effort before being asked to be placed back in Class-R if they are unable to kill anything.)

tl;dr Express interest in change, and it will get looked at. If you're like me and you feel we have too many rules with too many nuances and special exceptions that end up scaring off the little guilds they were designed to protect, get together with your guild's raid reps and talk to them about what you'd like to see changed. Have them post that in the raid forum to show the staff you'd like changes to the current rules. Good luck!

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[Fael]

Fraps and frivolous petition quest is IB's thing, not ours.

If the GM's were worth their salt they would institute a rule where any frivolous petition not supported by clear evidence would result in a forfeiture of the mob in question.

petitioning anything that is not a clear blatant foul is pathetic. Unfortunately it seems to be met with warmth by the service staff, and so Ib will continue to do it.

Dolic

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of bitterness here raev... All the mobs spawn during the weekend then class c is the same as class r we group and play eq.... It's not much different.

Because only 2 guilds currently occupy class C does it enjoy its cozy R-ness. Add 2 or 3 more to the mix like you guys say you want and you'll have all the clusterfucks that come with FFA mobs and probably even worse, because the new guilds going into VP are bound to fuck everyone up when they don't know how to play the zone. Plus with more guilds competing, it'll just be the same old escalating of tactics that leads to CotH ducking. The reality is the limited content can't support the FFA mentality with as many raid capable guilds there are on this server.

[Ella`Ella]

Sounds more like the question should be less about what we can do to make Kunark work and more about how we can help accelerate the release of velious.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds more like the question should be less about what we can do to make Kunark work and more about how we can help accelerate the release of velious.

More Beta testing.

Guilds get tasked with specifics that the devs want tested, stressed, etc.

Parlay out functionality testing down to the individual encounter and NPC to PC interaction - get feedback.

etc etc.

'Brella I agree that a proactive approach towards Velious testing (and would add planning, for the raid scene), would be beneficial to all. Notwithstanding the current raid scene, but moreso bringing new content to life that can help relieve some of the stresses on the existing system.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that they think they're giving anything to casuals is the whole problem with the raid scene.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ x 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fraps and frivolous petition quest is IB's thing, not ours.

If the GM's were worth their salt they would institute a rule where any frivolous petition not supported by clear evidence would result in a forfeiture of the mob in question.

petitioning anything that is not a clear blatant foul is pathetic. Unfortunately it seems to be met with warmth by the service staff, and so Ib will continue to do it.

Dolic

Correct me if I'm wrong. But you were the guild who petitioned BDA for having a few members do <1000 DMG to Nagafen under 20% when Taken had gotten him down that far to start and wasn't showing any signs of wiping right?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds more like the question should be less about what we can do to make Kunark work and more about how we can help accelerate the release of velious.

Velious will be awesome, but I'm not really sure what we can do to assist it that has not already been done.

Also, from what I hear Velious is going to straight FFA. So the one good thing that came out of the raid negotiations last winter will be abandoned, and the release of Velious will see an explosion of pseudo-poopsocking the like of which we have never seen before.