A lot of you just got your accounts banned...

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed.

Wife played my account. I played hers.

Even close guildies played each others. My guild leader had his whole damn family in the guild, and would even multibox the various characters before Velious. Most of us knew each other for years before EQ and quite a few trusted each other with their pws, because if anything happened, we could always go over to their house and settle up.

The practice was certainly classic.

Both my parents and my little brother all played EQ along with me. It was my stepdad that introduced it to us in aug of 99. We had 2 PC's that were right next to each other and would duo/box whichever combo of toons on 2 accounts(parents wouldnt let me have a account yet cause i was only 16.)

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if the illegal behavior happened years later why scoop up accounts that hadn't been linked in almost 2 years? That's like having a business partner, he goes his own way and starts a new business, then at the new business he starts embezzling money or murdering hookers, choose your own crime. You don't go back and arrest the old business partner.

If I'm looking at 10,000 logins it's not easy to differentiate which ones are those old business partners. All I see are account ID's, IP's, and login timestamps. My goal is to stop him from selling as quickly as possible, and that doesn't afford time to pick through the 50+ accounts one by one to see which ones are being used for RMT, and which ones are BDA tracker accounts he logged into a year ago. Banning everything makes it so I can identify which ones are actually owned by someone because they have to petition, and then I can check to see if they were used for RMT one by one. Culprit was selling platinum and items for a long time - for all I know he could have used BDA tracker accounts to sell inventory, in which case those accounts would remain banned.

We've always told people not to share account information, and this is exactly why. As I stated previously, server administration would have no problem just leaving these all banned - but I'm not willing to leave a bunch of innocent accounts banned like that. I'd also like to point out again that you didn't seem too concerned when this exact same thing happened to TMO back in December =P

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if the illegal behavior happened years later why scoop up accounts that hadn't been linked in almost 2 years? That's like having a business partner, he goes his own way and starts a new business, then at the new business he starts embezzling money or murdering hookers, choose your own crime. You don't go back and arrest the old business partner.

Ehhh, if the business partner was embezzling at the old business and you guys were partners and you held a role of CEO or CFO, you could be tried under the RICO act for his crimes despite your lack of knowledge of the crime being commited. You are still responsible for all the due diligence necessary to prevent such things from happening.

Also, corporate executives and registered investment professionals ( e.g stock brokers, bankers, financiers, hedge fund managers, etc...) are still legally on the hook for any shit that went down under their watch for 3 years after leaving the company.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ehhh, if the business partner was embezzling at the old business and you guys were partners and you held a role of CEO or CFO, you could be tried under the RICO act for his crimes despite your lack of knowledge of the crime being commited. You are still responsible for all the due diligence necessary to prevent such things from happening.

Also, corporate executives and registered investment professionals ( e.g stock brokers, bankers, financiers, hedge fund managers, etc...) are still legally on the hook for any shit that went down under their watch for 3 years after leaving the company.

HOLY LAWYER QUEST BATMAN.

Is this what happens in petition forums about Class R Nagafens?

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've always told people not to share account information, and this is exactly why. As I stated previously, server administration would have no problem just leaving these all banned - but I'm not willing to leave a bunch of innocent accounts banned like that.

No offense, but don't you see how you're perpetuating the problem?

You're not protecting anyone from wrongful bans. You're protecting them from themselves, enabling players to share accounts, reap the rewards(in turn altering the raid scene for the entire server), and all with zero risk. Why would they ever stop, when players know you'll come and perform in hindsight the sort of due diligence they themselves should have exercised up-front?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never given you a reason to doubt tho. Thing is it's what he does. On live my friend was that way. He would even charm mobs give them see invis haste them with weapons>_< just to stop folks from getting thru areas in lower guk and sol b. while it's not great for the server He's perfectly in his right to camp things for how ever long he can. Look at drusella a team used to and prolly still camps her in howling stones for days weeks months on end....

Seems like a perfect area for the play nice policy to be in effect. Being that it is not great for the server like everyone seems to agree, I believe policy should be adjusted to help promote a healthy environment for everyone.

[hieroz]

Why don't u just play by the rules and then u wouldn't have to worry about anything?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at drusella a team used to and prolly still camps her in howling stones for days weeks months on end....

I've only infrequently given cliff golem weapons and SI though! Never actually have followed through on buffing all the entry mobs into HS south, or going in with Svenn and Save and Loraen to buy the cliff golem a tstaff for unresistable stun lulz! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I'm looking at 10,000 logins it's not easy to differentiate which ones are those old business partners. All I see are account ID's, IP's, and login timestamps. My goal is to stop him from selling as quickly as possible, and that doesn't afford time to pick through the 50+ accounts one by one to see which ones are being used for RMT, and which ones are BDA tracker accounts he logged into a year ago. Banning everything makes it so I can identify which ones are actually owned by someone because they have to petition, and then I can check to see if they were used for RMT one by one. Culprit was selling platinum and items for a long time - for all I know he could have used BDA tracker accounts to sell inventory, in which case those accounts would remain banned.

We've always told people not to share account information, and this is exactly why. As I stated previously, server administration would have no problem just leaving these all banned - but I'm not willing to leave a bunch of innocent accounts banned like that. I'd also like to point out again that you didn't seem too concerned when this exact same thing happened to TMO back in December =P

How could culprit use tracker accounts he hasn't had access to in 2 years to operate? I'm just saying you could have looked at dates and not banned accounts that he hasn't been able to login to in years. And the TMO situation was different. That was a bunch of TMO accounts plus it was duping (wasn't it? I don't really care or remember) The culprit situation was different since he's been in VD, BDA, FE, and TMO over a 3 year period. Arbitrarily banning accounts he doesn't even have access to any longer just seemed overboard.

[hieroz]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How could culprit use tracker accounts he hasn't had access to in 2 years to operate? I'm just saying you could have looked at dates and not banned accounts that he hasn't been able to login to in years. And the TMO situation was different. That was a bunch of TMO accounts plus it was duping (wasn't it? I don't really care or remember) The culprit situation was different since he's been in VD, BDA, FE, and TMO over a 3 year period. Arbitrarily banning accounts he doesn't even have access to any longer just seemed overboard.

The gms are not banning people for fun. If u do the crime
Prepare for the consequences it's going to catch up to u sooner or later it's like commuting tax fraud . You will get away with it up front and you will think your a badass for getting away with it but sooner or later your ass is going to be raw as fuck in the pin.