Stop the Socking

[Clark]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lol

[Erati]

ty for breaking down my post Lazie

I get it tho, you guys really want to race. Acting like a race will suddenly give 'the little guys' a huge chance versus what we have now is handful of magic beans you are selling.

Like TMO's own guild leader suggested, maybe instead of lvling a 6th or 7th alt, a smaller R guild can take a week or two and Plvl a guild account mage and voila, they have just as much advantage in FTEing a dragon as the big boys.


A footrace that requires a specific location to start at, a specific level of run speed, specific classes who can race or not ( ie bards avail or not )..all while requiring a burden of evidence to back up claims of cheating. All of those factors does indeed add up to having more layers than the one layer currently required ( a COH guild account mage )

Any member can log on that mage and press one button when the dragon spawns, its really not difficult, and its the same for TMO and the same for IB. Any guild can show up and COH their tagger in.

I think,again, we need to re-focus on fixes to the actual raid scene not the FTE meta game. Its very hard to tell a difference for the hardcores because their life is about how to get FTE, but there is more to the raid scene environment leading up to that part.

I am not pushing an agenda, I am just speaking my mind as a player that has been here since 2009 and experienced quite a bit of this game and this server.

A foot race will be different sure, but will it be all that much better? I suppose possibly?

Theres no need to change anything if its not a fundamental change in how raiding is structured, else we are just putting a different shade of lipstick on a pig. Maybe the violet brings out the pigs eyes more than the peach color but its still lipstick on a pig....

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid scene is fine the way it is, why people trying to fix what isn't broken?


You think its bad now then you must have not been around for what raiding was before. You people won't ever be happy, just go play on a GM server so you can do whatever you want in the pixels you want, and summon any content you want to kill. Obviously p99 isn't the experience some of you are seeking.

This guy speaks truth.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy speaks truth.

I can agree with this also. I am just trying to point out the wholesale changes people are asking for aren't going to happen. The things they should ask for need to be something both styles of raiding will compromise on.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can agree with this also. I am just trying to point out the wholesale changes people are asking for aren't going to happen. The things they should ask for need to be something both styles of raiding will compromise on.

so here's a question then....

What does C want?

many cite no change at all or even better, remove most the current rulesets...

If Class R doesnt know what kind of things Class C wants, it makes it very hard to find a middle ground to compromise

( hence why FFAs are such clusters and why R's solution has been to essentially get rid of the only time where C/R meet on the battle field on a regular basis )

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have much of an issue allowing Mages to CotH on Trak.

I do have an issue with poopsocking it (cause that's dumb) with 2 preformed groups waiting at the entrance the entire window formed up ready to be CotH'd down.

Cause that sort of behavior is what pushes the GMs to think that 16 hour variance is the issue. When it isn't.

The rules should be simple. One tracker in zone. Tracker cannot get or be involved with FTE.

And no poopsocking. That includes staging raid forces, whether they are camped nearby or just sitting waiting on a spawn. This includes being gathered in a common location, waiting for a pop, and a rapid port. Putting 5 groups in 5 diff zones, just waiting for a pop and doing little else, is still poopsocking.

No variance.

And thats all I have to say about that.

H

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Theres no need to change anything if its not a fundamental change in how raiding is structured, else we are just putting a different shade of lipstick on a pig. Maybe the violet brings out the pigs eyes more than the peach color but its still lipstick on a pig....

It's sad to me that among those here who understand this, the loudest voices (or at least the voices most listened to by staff) appear quite determined to obfuscate the obvious so they can continue gang-banging their beloved lipstick-smeared pig.

[captnamazing]

raid scene is way better than it was a year ago

pras class r overlords now i have dragon loot

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ty for breaking down my post Lazie

I get it tho, you guys really want to race. Acting like a race will suddenly give 'the little guys' a huge chance versus what we have now is handful of magic beans you are selling.

Like TMO's own guild leader suggested, maybe instead of lvling a 6th or 7th alt, a smaller R guild can take a week or two and Plvl a guild account mage and voila, they have just as much advantage in FTEing a dragon as the big boys.


A footrace that requires a specific location to start at, a specific level of run speed, specific classes who can race or not ( ie bards avail or not )..all while requiring a burden of evidence to back up claims of cheating. All of those factors does indeed add up to having more layers than the one layer currently required ( a COH guild account mage )

Any member can log on that mage and press one button when the dragon spawns, its really not difficult, and its the same for TMO and the same for IB. Any guild can show up and COH their tagger in.

I think,again, we need to re-focus on fixes to the actual raid scene not the FTE meta game. Its very hard to tell a difference for the hardcores because their life is about how to get FTE, but there is more to the raid scene environment leading up to that part.

I am not pushing an agenda, I am just speaking my mind as a player that has been here since 2009 and experienced quite a bit of this game and this server.

A foot race will be different sure, but will it be all that much better? I suppose possibly?

Theres no need to change anything if its not a fundamental change in how raiding is structured, else we are just putting a different shade of lipstick on a pig. Maybe the violet brings out the pigs eyes more than the peach color but its still lipstick on a pig....

Long post that I am not going to cover the same as the other. Just a few points I will add.

Some guilds have less resources than others and asking them to have to level a specific class just to compete means that the raid scene isn't open to new guilds just walking in and competing.

The goal at this point should not be "What makes this better for the guilds already in the raid scene". The goal should be to make it more approachable by current guilds and possible new guilds in the future. The current state of the raid scene is limited to guilds with certain resources. Yes A GOOD option for the current guilds that compete on FFA spawns is to say "LEVEL A MAGE YO!". It makes smaller guilds though have to put forth time and energy to create a resource they don't have. Remember this is supposed to be about opening up content to everyone. You are wanting to restrict it to guilds with more resources.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get it tho, you guys really want to race. Acting like a race will suddenly give 'the little guys' a huge chance versus what we have now is handful of magic beans you are selling.

I feel like the priorities should be:

#1. Making the raid scene fun
#2. Making the raid scene classic
#3. Making sure everyone gets pixels

No one would run a footrace where you have to wait 0-16 hours before you can start.