Burn it to the ground

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be honest with you I give more credit to the time of year and Nihilum being disbanded then Holo for the population increase. I will say that Holo hasn't fucked up the opportunity like Azrael did though, which is enough to give Holo some credit.

Nope I think only a fool could think Nihilum disbanding would be a cause of sudden a bolstered population, when Azrael controlled the server for 2 months without a change in server pop.

I'll show you why in Socratic method.

Did Holocaust ever refuse a member?

Did Holocaust ever have en extensive elitist applicant process that lorded membership over others, posting denied app's as means of public debasement on the forums?

Did Holocaust ever brag about an overflowing guild bank while pricing hard to get items over 4x there going rate on the server?

Can you think of a single item that was awarded solely from RMT or favoritism over someone who showed more raid participation than another?

Can you give one example of Holocaust letting an item rott rather than awarding it to an available member?

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Littlegyno 10.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

syft was a lil aspie earlier this year on the forums but i like dis current syft personality.

Prolly cause were two different humans entirely, but hey if it makes you happy run with it

[Kergan]

Don't go off the deep end. People got fuck tons of loot in Nihilum, anything they wanted. DKP was transparent man, nobody was getting crowns of rile and shit for RMT and nobody cared about the rest of it. The RMT'd loot was crap nobody wanted when it dropped and nobody wanted to buy for alts. Nihilum also never refused a member. Nothing rotted that people needed, ever. Epic pieces were typically looted by senior members and MQ to people when they completed the application process (sometimes not even that long). Droppable items went to the guild bank over apps in most cases, but the app process took all of like 2 weeks for an active player and if you can't commit to a guild that long you don't deserve jack shit.

There really wasn't much of a regard for anyone not in Nihilum though, I will give you that. 4x the price on items was just to sell to desperate buyers, the rate to buy it in guild was super cheap.

Nihilum may have been bad for the server but it isn't because of anything you said. There was 0 effort put into growing the population, getting people to come play, helping out low level players, etc. It was basically, if you want our help then join us otherwise fuck off. But if you joined, you were helped plenty and nobody was turned away.

Don't revise history dude, you have plenty of shit to call out Nihilum on but stop pretending you had to buy your items via RMT or it was some sort of elitist group giving only loot to their pals.

The chart that was posted showing server population shows a big spike the week after Nihilum was disbanded, long before Holo was the guild it is now. Holo has done a good job maintaining the momentum and slowly pushing the population upwards instead of being douchebags and letting the server regress and I give them a lot of credit for that.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't go off the deep end. People got fuck tons of loot in Nihilum, anything they wanted. DKP was transparent man, nobody was getting crowns of rile and shit for RMT and nobody cared about the rest of it. The RMT'd loot was crap nobody wanted when it dropped and nobody wanted to buy for alts. Nihilum also never refused a member. Nothing rotted that people needed, ever. Epic pieces were typically looted by senior members and MQ to people when they completed the application process (sometimes not even that long). Droppable items went to the guild bank over apps in most cases, but the app process took all of like 2 weeks for an active player and if you can't commit to a guild that long you don't deserve jack shit.

There really wasn't much of a regard for anyone not in Nihilum though, I will give you that. 4x the price on items was just to sell to desperate buyers, the rate to buy it in guild was super cheap.

Nihilum may have been bad for the server but it isn't because of anything you said. There was 0 effort put into growing the population, getting people to come play, helping out low level players, etc. It was basically, if you want our help then join us otherwise fuck off. But if you joined, you were helped plenty and nobody was turned away.

Don't revise history dude, you have plenty of shit to call out Nihilum on but stop pretending you had to buy your items via RMT or it was some sort of elitist group giving only loot to their pals.

The chart that was posted showing server population shows a big spike the week after Nihilum was disbanded, long before Holo was the guild it is now. Holo has done a good job maintaining the momentum and slowly pushing the population upwards instead of being douchebags and letting the server regress and I give them a lot of credit for that.

I'm not revising history I'm accurately portraying it, I'm sorry there is a huge disparity between your memory and facts.

I never said Nihilum needed to buy items via RMT allot of people geared up through Nihilum. But Nihilum was never dedicated to bolstering server population there goals were purely selfishly motivated.

Nihilums bank looked like an episode of hoarders while holocaust bank looks like an episode of pawn stars, stuff comes in and goes out just as fast.

Nihilum did refuse many members publicly going so far as to post their apps on the forums, Holocaust doesn't have an applicant process.

Nihilums leader loved nothing more than to post his success and gloat over the guilds with less, I can't even find a recent post by Gongshow.

Nihilum let items rot to teach guild members a lesson about participation. Our officers are honestly distraught when an item rots and ask 20 times in guild desperately before the timer is up.

The two guilds are honestly like night and day, and i think anyone with a reason and rationale can see why Holocaust is directly responsible for the servers current momentum. We've even made the GM's believe in Red again, which is quite frankly amazing.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't go off the deep end. People got fuck tons of loot in Nihilum, anything they wanted. DKP was transparent man, nobody was getting crowns of rile and shit for RMT and nobody cared about the rest of it. The RMT'd loot was crap nobody wanted when it dropped and nobody wanted to buy for alts. Nihilum also never refused a member. Nothing rotted that people needed, ever. Epic pieces were typically looted by senior members and MQ to people when they completed the application process (sometimes not even that long). Droppable items went to the guild bank over apps in most cases, but the app process took all of like 2 weeks for an active player and if you can't commit to a guild that long you don't deserve jack shit.

There really wasn't much of a regard for anyone not in Nihilum though, I will give you that. 4x the price on items was just to sell to desperate buyers, the rate to buy it in guild was super cheap.

Nihilum may have been bad for the server but it isn't because of anything you said. There was 0 effort put into growing the population, getting people to come play, helping out low level players, etc. It was basically, if you want our help then join us otherwise fuck off. But if you joined, you were helped plenty and nobody was turned away.

Don't revise history dude, you have plenty of shit to call out Nihilum on but stop pretending you had to buy your items via RMT or it was some sort of elitist group giving only loot to their pals.

The chart that was posted showing server population shows a big spike the week after Nihilum was disbanded, long before Holo was the guild it is now. Holo has done a good job maintaining the momentum and slowly pushing the population upwards instead of being douchebags and letting the server regress and I give them a lot of credit for that.

Meh anything is better than Azrael being #1... just saying...

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not revising history I'm accurately portraying it, I'm sorry there is a huge disparity between your memory and facts.

I never said Nihilum needed to buy items via RMT allot of people geared up through Nihilum. But Nihilum was never dedicated to bolstering server population there goals were purely selfishly motivated.

Nihilums bank looked like an episode of hoarders while holocaust bank looks like an episode of pawn stars, stuff comes in and goes out just as fast.

Nihilum did refuse many members publicly going so far as to post their apps on the forums, Holocaust doesn't have an applicant process.

Nihilums leader loved nothing more than to post his success and gloat over the guilds with less, I can't even find a recent post by Gongshow.

Nihilum let items rot to teach guild members a lesson about participation. Our officers are honestly distraught when an item rots and ask 20 times in guild desperately before the timer is up.

The two guilds are honestly like night and day, and i think anyone with a reason and rationale can see why Holocaust is directly responsible for the servers current momentum. We've even made the GM's believe in Red again, which is quite frankly amazing.

Were you in Nihilum?

[vouss]

I'd say Holo is pretty much the same as Nihilum.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were you in Nihilum?

Nope but there are two relevant facts I can't Ignore

A. Nihilum ruled the server for what 2 years?

B. The population on red remained dismal for two years

Which leads to only one logical conclusion. Nihilum while being good for it's guild members was bad for the server.

Following that same logic I see the reverse.

A. Holocaust has ruled the server for 3 months

B. The server population has increased more in the past 3 months than the past 3 years.

Which leads me to believe Holocaust is good for the server. You could debate that but it would go against empirical evidence and logical deduction.

[Silent]

Never saw anyone in nihilum purposely destroy an item someone couldn't loot, I know at one point there were rumors about who was it ezpk having VP trash weapons deleted because he was still an app? Thats the only thing I know about, and since that post everyone has changed the story countless times til it turned into "nizzar and nihilum officers destroyed loot infront of new recruits rather then gear them up unless they past the process".

VP weapons are a dime a dozen, pretty sure ezpk picked up ALL of them while the propaganda was being spread.

And yes you can easily compare Nihilum to Holocaust, Considering Holo has most of its nihi members with the smaller portion being in god's work. Along with Holo being the biggest guild on the server, currently controlling almost every world boss + VP recruiting anything that moves(same thing nihilum did, coincidence? need new bodies for each one that quits or gears up and goes casual/mia)

Holocaust bank isn't overflowing with loot selling it at 3x the cost because they are still working on gearing up a revolving door of players, Who is to say it would not take another YEAR of kunark to gear up all of their core members + raid day login people while passing out pieces of gear here and there to new recruits. But say they did have the loot banked up like nihilum did, Nihilum had kept trak bp, vs legs and other items on lock from farming so long there was NO PLACE ELSE you could acquire them, so they determined the prices and yes people bought them dont act like no one did. You either went to nihilum and got your gear eventually or you bought the items on guild auctions.

The day holo has a couple RBB/CoF/DHB banked, with 1-2 of each BP/legs they will have succeeded in becoming nihilum. How long until they can be so careful with who/what new app they award loot to, including epic MQs? Charlatan comes to mind, I bet he still has his soul leech sitting on his char untouched because he couldn't sell it quick enough to get back to blue and might come back at a later time. Had a SK officer/leader looted that instead to MQ like was done in nihilum it wouldn't have happened. You can say oh well we have CT on lock so well get more, Yes you probably will but you got crazy good luck with the multiple SL right off the start. Any of the members from nihilum knows how loot can go, months without seeing an AoN or soul leech, sow sword, crown etc.

read the post, then reply tldr and know im right.

[Colgate]

ya i didn't read that shit l0l