The plight of the Kagatob

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't need to start growing dongs to wipe men out once and for all. So many of you have apparently grown your own vaginas that you're actually doing the work for us.

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[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin, only someone who went to college could come up with ideas as stupid as "people don't like to be paid more money" and "good people are not important to the success of a startup"

I certainly didn't get "people don't like to be paid more money" out of "people are motivated by many things other than pay", and on this point Loramin is absolutely right. This is precisely the reason why startups are appealing in the first place - you don't go work at a startup for a handsome salary, you work at a startup because it provides unique challenges and the opportunity to actually be a part of building something that you take interest in from the ground up instead of just warming a desk from nine until five. If you want a handsome salary, go be a warm body at a megacorporation where the degree that qualified you will be put to better use during the job interview than in any of the things you'll actually do on the job.

However, on his point about the importance of the quality of a startup's programmers, I completely disagree. The quality of the programmers is pretty much the only thing that matters to a startup's success, which is why IT entrepreneurialism has in many cases become a kind of one-man endeavor where a single talented programmer with a good idea and the means to write a piece of software can become an overnight multimillionaire with the right VC invester. Sure, good startup companies include other things; QA, product designers, marketing, team management, etc., but show me a tech startup that doesn't first of all have competent, talented programmers and you'll be showing me a failed tech startup.

Anyway, on the topic at hand I have a few comments but nothing has really gotten underneath my skin. No one has said anything especially stupid yet, I'm disappointed in all of you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody who defends the significance of the gender gap will ever answer the very serious question about why we don't just start our own company and hire all the girls if we think they're so good?

Did you mean answer the question? or dignify it with a response?

So you are campaigning for STEM fields, good. Would you like to campaign for more women to join manufacturing/construction/utility/trucking jobs while you are at it? Those pay very well and there are hardly any women in them either.
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[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are campaigning for STEM fields, good. Would you like to campaign for more women to join manufacturing/construction/utility/trucking jobs while you are at it? Those pay very well and there are hardly any women in them either.
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Absolutely! Why wouldn't i be? Those sectors are all highly stigmatised, i'd suspect, because of an assumption that most women aren't 'tough enough' to handle them. He brought up my theoretical tech startup so that's what we went with.

What's your point though?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin, only someone who went to college could come up with ideas as stupid as "people don't like to be paid more money" and "good people are not important to the success of a startup"

Paul already shot that down, so I'll just leave this here.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is precisely the reason why startups are appealing in the first place - you don't go work at a startup for a handsome salary, you work at a startup because it provides unique challenges and the opportunity to actually be a part of building something that you take interest in from the ground up instead of just warming a desk from nine until five.

Don't forget the stock options! But yeah, no one with a brain joins a startup for the salary, because established companies can offer much better salaries.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, good startup companies include other things; QA, product designers, marketing, team management, etc., but show me a tech startup that doesn't first of all have competent, talented programmers and you'll be showing me a failed tech startup.

Bad programmers can write terrible code that still works well enough for the company to succeed. That code might not be maintainable/re-usuable/etc. but that doesn't matter because the code doesn't have to be great, it just has to be good enough to realize the business vision.

In contrast, the best coders in the world can't save a bad CEO or a bad product idea. There are thousands of failed Sillicon Valley startups that had great programmers working for them, but that doesn't matter when the CEO is convinced online pet food (advertised by sock puppets) is the wave of the future.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Absolutely! Why wouldn't i be? Those sectors are all highly stigmatised, i'd suspect, because of an assumption that most women aren't 'tough enough' to handle them. He brought up my theoretical tech startup so that's what we went with.

What's your point though?

Women don't apply for those jobs.

Believe it or not there are fields that women simply aren't typically interested in. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?

[radditsu]

You are all fucking idiots.

[radditsu]

Sidelle i am especially disappointed in you.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are all fucking idiots.

What, just because we try to converse with Kagato?

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[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Women don't apply for those jobs.

Believe it or not there are fields that women simply aren't typically interested in. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?

That doesn't change the beating in rationale that you've received from them. You're stubborn, hate women, and need to get over yourself. Clinging to specificity in the face of defeat confirms your idiocy on the matter.