Overcrowded

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Lifebar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On classic I remember the 4 goblin camps being the main room, 1st side room, WAR room, and raider room. That first side room has two goddamn mobs in it on like an 8-12(?) minute timer--and there was a list. That is overcrowding. I like it here.

HHK camps on Prexus, 40+ people on the regular, during prime time:

Guards in courtyard / bard
Nobles
Guards indoors
Captain downstairs
Main goblin room
War room
Raider room
Side room could be a single camp or split between a group and a solo/duo. If the main room was lucky, they got all of it.

SolB would have 80-100 people in it. Full groups would camp 1-6 spawns.

Lower Guk you could walk around without seeing a single mob and 120 people waiting for respawns as a group of 6 camped a single room with 3-6 spawns.

Sebilis would have 100-120 routinely during primetime.
the 2 entry mobs (solo/duo'd)
entry hallway
rock hallway
upper zone out (UZO)
disco 1
disco 2 (completely separate camps)
bugs
crypt
emp (separate camp)
jail
chef
sewer / lower zone out (LZO)
shrooms / spore king (you camped his room, sometimes 2 groups would be required to hold it)
juggs

[Nirgon]

You need a classic timeline

The casuals are all 60 and very demanding

Come to red, where there's no variance, it isn't completely overfarmed (for now) and if you think you deserve content more than someone you can rally an army and try to take it

Inb4 Holo gets all the PDs (no one on the live timeline had 40+ PD kills pre-Velious, why is this a measure of success vs total failure for Kunark era)...

We don't get every Tranix or Ragefire etc... epic mobs are left up (Hi2u Verina Tomb)

Your solution is to learn to enjoy some pvp on a less than over farmed/over crowded server. It is no longer a ghost town as compared to before. Top pals have been working their asses off handing out epics as incentive to come play red... get yours.. you don't have to completely quit blue to do it. Within 2 months, I am sure you will want to stay.

Blue RNF is a snooze fest compared to the days of old. Red RNF is full of luls. Oh yeah no variance.

[Ravager]

It all comes down to poor game design. Half the content doesn't get used as it was intended. How many people here crawled Kedge? Cazic Thule? Grouped in Dagnor's? Did you know there's a named snake in Dagnor's that drops an instant heal/rune pot? Who goes to Dalnir other than to farm Crescent for their iksar monk alt? Who uses Chardok for anything other than ae exploits? Who uses Skyfire, EJ and TT for exp groups like they do OT, DL?

There's plenty of game world to support a much larger population, there's just not enough in it to incentivize straying from the beaten path, especially when everyone has instructions to get what they want in the fastest way possible.

Velious won't change things, it'll just shift the crowds from one place to another and over half the content will still be unused. Adding 30 zones to every expansion is what killed EQ. They should have instead focused on adding content to the world they already created.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's plenty of game world to support a much larger population, there's just not enough in it to incentivize straying from the beaten path, especially when everyone has instructions to get what they want in the fastest way possible.

This was a known issue on live, and they solved it (or at least tried to) with zone exp modifiers. I really wish the devs would consider adjusting those here (and then publicizing the changes) to increase the ZEM of un-used zones like Cazic Thule and Dagnor's and reduce the ZEM of zones like Unrest and Karnor's. Such a change would be 100% classic in spirit and could really help spread the population out.

[Rararboker]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It all comes down to poor game design. Half the content doesn't get used as it was intended. How many people here crawled Kedge? Cazic Thule? Grouped in Dagnor's? Did you know there's a named snake in Dagnor's that drops an instant heal/rune pot? Who goes to Dalnir other than to farm Crescent for their iksar monk alt? Who uses Chardok for anything other than ae exploits? Who uses Skyfire, EJ and TT for exp groups like they do OT, DL?

There's plenty of game world to support a much larger population, there's just not enough in it to incentivize straying from the beaten path, especially when everyone has instructions to get what they want in the fastest way possible.

Velious won't change things, it'll just shift the crowds from one place to another and over half the content will still be unused. Adding 30 zones to every expansion is what killed EQ. They should have instead focused on adding content to the world they already created.

Shhhh, your gonna make all these other zones get crowded too.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who uses Skyfire, EJ and TT for exp groups like they do OT, DL?

A solid group of low-/mid-40s can get pretty good XP in TT. Spectral keepers are wiz casters with very small agro radius, buff your tank's magic/cold/fire resists & HP and tear 'em up. With a full group you can move back and forth between a couple of ruins to get enough spawns to keep you busy and you'll be able to down the occasional spectral champion spawn easily enough. If you've got a cleric + a chanter or a second healer the cleric can load up his biggest anti-undead nuke and play part-time pretend wizard.

But people would rather sit around CoM LFG while those that are grouped fight over spawns and complain that there aren't enough mobs.

[Duncon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was a known issue on live, and they solved it (or at least tried to) with zone exp modifiers. I really wish the devs would consider adjusting those here (and then publicizing the changes) to increase the ZEM of un-used zones like Cazic Thule and Dagnor's and reduce the ZEM of zones like Unrest and Karnor's. Such a change would be 100% classic in spirit and could really help spread the population out.

It would be even better if ZEM was dynamic and would change with the number of people in the zone or the length of time mobs stay up.

You see lots of folks in the zone you know the ZEM is low and it's time to look around. Never gunna happen, cause you know, not classic, but it is fun to theorize.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Grizzled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you believe there needs to be more blue servers, there is one way to accomplish this.

Start your own server. Use p99 database. Pay for the hosting and bandwidth. And beg p99 staff to let it be an official second server. Iron out other details.

People seem to forget.p99 staff are a group of guys who want classic EQ as it was. Keeping people happy is second, or possibly lower on the list.

Me personally I dont see why they are so nice to peeps who rmt and multibox. Those people do not deserve to be here.

Would they allow this? I might be interested in doing this if so.

[Daldaen]

P99 Devs and code holders would never allow that.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But people would rather sit around CoM LFG while those that are grouped fight over spawns and complain that there aren't enough mobs.

In my 40s, I was bringing the people who were LFG at CoM entrance to the other side of the zoneline in EJ. Most of the time, I'd have to drag them kicking and screaming to even give it a try. Yet anyone who joined me saw I was constantly chain-pulling uncontested mobs at a higher XP rate than they'd get in CoM. Not to mention the change of scenery and mobs (giant mosquitos, gorillas, raptors, plants).

I do wish some people were more open-minded.