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Old 10-19-2010, 10:45 PM
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Because admitting that our justice system is completely fucked is the same as promoting anarchy.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:10 AM
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Because admitting that our justice system is completely fucked is the same as promoting anarchy.
"Justice system" =/ Police officers

Let's quote your original post once again, since you forget what you stated.



"Police Officers. If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself."

Next please.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:08 AM
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I'm a fan of dismantling police forces since they are extensions of local government (I.E hired through city planners) and hiring private contractors for security. Since they would no longer be under the pay-roll of the government but instead the pay-roll of private citizens it creates a lot less instances of corruption.

What I envision is dividing the city into sections and take bids on what security firm wants to have a presence in each block, and have competing bids. Because of the naturalistic tendencies of a business they will do their job with utmost efficiency or risk losing the bid and their income.

This also allows for the block to routinely vote as a community whether or not the force is to be ejected or replaced based on performance. For example if the current force is stopping rapes from happening in your city block then one could say they're doing an exemplary job, if the current force is sitting on their ass citing people for going 2 over the speed limit whilst other issues take precedence one could say they need to be replaced.

Since police forces do not have this type of democratic process, they're tightly nursed by a system that only offers up suspensions with no citizen output in the process. So a bad cop can be a bad cop all the way into retirement without any sort of check and balance on his character.

I would like to try a social experiment to try this out, but I don't think it could ever be fully backed.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:14 AM
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I'm a fan of dismantling police forces since they are extensions of local government (I.E hired through city planners) and hiring private contractors for security. Since they would no longer be under the pay-roll of the government but instead the pay-roll of private citizens it creates a lot less instances of corruption.

What I envision is dividing the city into sections and take bids on what security firm wants to have a presence in each block, and have competing bids. Because of the naturalistic tendencies of a business they will do their job with utmost efficiency or risk losing the bid and their income.

This also allows for the block to routinely vote as a community whether or not the force is to be ejected or replaced based on performance. For example if the current force is stopping rapes from happening in your city block then one could say they're doing an exemplary job, if the current force is sitting on their ass citing people for going 2 over the speed limit whilst other issues take precedence one could say they need to be replaced.

Since police forces do not have this type of democratic process, they're tightly nursed by a system that only offers up suspensions with no citizen output in the process. So a bad cop can be a bad cop all the way into retirement without any sort of check and balance on his character.

I would like to try a social experiment to try this out, but I don't think it could ever be fully backed.

This is an interesting idea, however can you explain how you would get rid of the "free rider" problem? The "free rider" is the true reason why taxes and goverment exist. Why would i pay for a road/service that would help everyone when i can just wait for my neighbour to buck up?
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:34 AM
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In your proposal, why is privatizing the police department a prerequisite for being able to vote on which officers patrol our neighborhood blocks?
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:38 PM
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"Justice system" =/ Police officers

Let's quote your original post once again, since you forget what you stated.

"Police Officers. If you know one, remind him how worthless he is. If you are one, kill yourself."

Next please.
Our justice system is fucked from the ground up. This includes, but is not limited to, government enforcers. I don't think it is good or desirable that I am better off defending myself with lethal force than going through legal channels; my point is that we are not truly observing rule of law in the United States at this time. The people responsible for this fucked up system need to be removed from power.

Please let me know where the above statement includes promotion of anarchy.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:34 PM
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Our justice system is fucked from the ground up. This includes, but is not limited to, government enforcers. I don't think it is good or desirable that I am better off defending myself with lethal force than going through legal channels; my point is that we are not truly observing rule of law in the United States at this time. The people responsible for this fucked up system need to be removed from power.

Please let me know where the above statement includes promotion of anarchy.
Ok and what would you put in their place? More human beings who have the capacity to do right and wrong just as the ones who are there now?
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:19 PM
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Our justice system is fucked from the ground up. This includes, but is not limited to, government enforcers. I don't think it is good or desirable that I am better off defending myself with lethal force than going through legal channels; my point is that we are not truly observing rule of law in the United States at this time. The people responsible for this fucked up system need to be removed from power.

Please let me know where the above statement includes promotion of anarchy.
No system can ever prevent a situation where you'll likely need to defend yourself, unless you are wealthy enough to afford a permanent guard. We can't have cops sitting inside everyone's house every minute of the day.

You're just now trying to change into having a reasonable argument, instead of being an idiotic twelve year old. That above statement is nothing like the statement that every law enforcement officer should kill themselves. That will create anarchy.

As much as you hate this system, it has been protecting you every day just because it exists. You wouldn't be able to rage here on this forum otherwise. Grow up.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:22 PM
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Man's greatest achievement? Perhaps not, but can you afford not to read on when I am about to tell you about police officer? Underestimate police officer at your peril. While much has been written on its influence on contemporary living, its influence on western cinema has not been given proper recognition. Inevitably feelings run deep amongst those most reliant on technology, who are likely to form a major stronghold in the inevitable battle for hearts and minds. At the heart of the subject are a number of key factors. I plan to examine each of these factors in detail and and asses their importance.

Social Factors

Society begins and ends with police officer. When J H Darcy said 'fevour will spread' [1] she saw clearly into the human heart. More a melody to societies dysfunctions than a parody of the self, police officer raises the question 'why?'

Our post-literate society, more than ever before, relies upon police officer. It breaks the mould, shattering man's misunderstanding of man.

Economic Factors

Derived from 'oikonomikos,' which means skilled in household management, the word economics is synonymous with police officer. We shall examine the Greek-Roman model, as is standard in this case.
Housing
Prices


police officer

There are a number of reasons which may be attributed to this unquestionable correlation. Clearly housing prices has always depended upon police officer to a certain extent, but now more that ever. In the light of this free trade must be examined.

Political Factors

Politics was once a game featuring competitors from elite classes. Placing theory on the scales of justice and weighing it against practice can produce similar results to contrasting police officer and ones own image of themselves.

In the words of a legend in their own life time, Elijah Bootlegger 'consciousness complicates a myriad of progressions.' [2] This quotation leads me to suspect that he was not unaccustomed to police officer. It speaks volumes. It is a well known 'secret' that what prompted many politicians to first strive for power was police officer.

While police officer may be a giant amongst men, is it a dwarf amongst policy? I hope not.
Conclusion

How much responsibility lies with police officer? We can say that police officer may not be the best thing since sliced bread, but it's still important. It brings peace, 'literally' plants seeds for harvest, and statistically it's great.

I will leave you with the words of Hollywood's Elvis Zeta-Jones 'At first I was afraid I was petrified. Thinking I could never live without police officer by my side.' [3]




Ok, i posted a wall of text that doesn't make any argument whatsoever. am I a grownup like you now?
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:37 PM
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Ok, i posted a wall of text that doesn't make any argument whatsoever. am I a grownup like you now?
At least you are consistent with your idiocy. I will give you that.
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