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Old 10-30-2010, 05:29 AM
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
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You missed the meaning of that so badly it's laughable.
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
This argument was explained away thousands of years ago in the Book of Job.
short version: God does what God does for His reasons, humans cannot understand. Furthermore, most religions believe that God gave us free will. Evil exists because humans choose to do evil, and God has chosen not to directly interfere. Even us foolish humans realize that having the power to do something doesn't mean we should automatically do so.

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Linking to Fox News just destroyed any credibility you may have had. Goodbye.
I'm talking about the existence of aliens, and you call me on using foxnews as a source. God damn your bias goes deep.
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Old 10-31-2010, 11:27 AM
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Right back at you.



This argument was explained away thousands of years ago in the Book of Job.
short version: God does what God does for His reasons, humans cannot understand. Furthermore, most religions believe that God gave us free will. Evil exists because humans choose to do evil, and God has chosen not to directly interfere. Even us foolish humans realize that having the power to do something doesn't mean we should automatically do so.

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I'm talking about the existence of aliens, and you call me on using foxnews as a source. God damn your bias goes deep.
Using the Bible as evidence of God is circular. God must be realz coz the bible done says so! The bibles is right because God wrote it!!!!

And using Job of all books...wow. What better way to show God's a humongous raging asshole than the book of Job. If God does exist, I hope it's not that douchebag.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:26 AM
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I'm dead convinced most holy books were written by some crazy clown after eating a strange psychosis inducing plant.

Would be funny, if it was true, for the guy to see how many people are goin NUTS over his insane scribblings.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:40 AM
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Old 10-31-2010, 11:24 AM
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^^ was meant for the guy who says there is evidence
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:36 PM
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I believe in a supreme being though I do not subscribe to any organized religion. In my opinion, just as the cells of our body are each individually alive and yet create a much larger human organism, we and our planet and everything else are part of something much larger than anything we can ever realistically imagine. That something would have to be God.
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Old 10-31-2010, 02:57 PM
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Fact: The Bible has been edited throughout history.

Is God responsible for these revisions? For The Bible to truly be the word of God he would have to be.

The Bible is not the word of God. The Bible has changed throughout time to match credible accounts of history so people can have more "faith" in it.

Most likely, no human being has ever been privy to any sort of divine communication or intervention.

Accept this life for what it is because it's probably the only one you're going to get. Religion is a tool in the subjugation of humanity.

There may be a higher power; it makes sense that there is, but I don't know. I'm comfortable in my ignorance. I don't need a fucking bullshit fairy tale.


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Old 10-31-2010, 06:40 PM
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Fact: The Bible has been edited throughout history.

Is God responsible for these revisions? For The Bible to truly be the word of God he would have to be.

The Bible is not the word of God. The Bible has changed throughout time to match credible accounts of history so people can have more "faith" in it.

Most likely, no human being has ever been privy to any sort of divine communication or intervention.

Accept this life for what it is because it's probably the only one you're going to get. Religion is a tool in the subjugation of humanity.

There may be a higher power; it makes sense that there is, but I don't know. I'm comfortable in my ignorance. I don't need a fucking bullshit fairy tale.


"If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words."
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I would LOVE for you to explain how the Bible has been edited throughout history.

Please explain, theologically speaking (what the Bible teaches about anything/everything) how the Bible has been edited or changed in anyway.

If you are referring to textual variants, then please be educated and don't make statements like "the Bible has been edited." That in no way prepares a hearer for the truth of the Bible's manuscript history.

First, there are textual disputes, which are the fewest in number (accounting for less than 1% of all textual variation throughout all of the manuscript evidence of the Old and New Testament btw). An example of a textual dispute would be something like - This Greek/Hebrew manuscript says this, but this Greek/Hebrew MSS says that. What did the author originally write here? (Again, give me ONE example of how this type of variant has altered the text in a theological sense.)

The other type of dispute is translational. An example of translational disputes would be something like - the underlying Greek/Hebrew manuscript uses this word. What does this word translate to in English? Bible translators have to make decisions about how to translate the Greek and Hebrew into English, and being the scholars that they are, who better to make translational decisions about the manuscript than Greek and Hebrew linguistics scholars? Yet again, to argue your term "edited", the process through which the Bible has been copied and reproduced throughout history is not summed up in the term "edited."

There is a very intense, scholarly, un-hidden process that you can study and read up on that will save you the need to use terms like "edited" in the future. Again, for the sake of right thinking, this argument is in no way meant to sway anyway away from or toward the Christian faith, only trying to shed some light on some helpful terminology when it comes to talking about the truth of the Bible and how it has been preserved over time.

I'm not going to read back over this to proofread, sorry for any errors.
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Old 10-31-2010, 09:32 PM
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I would LOVE for you to explain how the Bible has been edited throughout history.
You mean like when the Catholic church simply removed whole books because they didn't tell the story the way they wanted?

Or when certain manuscripts, like the dead sea scrolls were simply ignored as not gospel?

Editing like that?
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