Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[Champion_Standing]

The fact of the matter is that most people support looting rules that benefit them. At low levels established players are usually willing to let poor newbies take the trash because for many of them selling something worth less than 100pp isn't worth the effort.

It's when you start getting valuable items that people's attitudes change. I've seen people roll on everything one night then freak out the next night when someone else does the same. I've seen someone beg for help to camp an fbss for example, who got help and was given the fbss come along the next week when someone else wanted to camp something then demanding to roll when it dropped.

It's all bout that pixel greed bb's

[Swish]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what's your definition of need? from the screenshot, it looks like the guy could use a resist neck piece.

you're also not providing any context aside from a guy in mediocre bard gear requesting a solid resist piece. what does the rest of the group have? what is the rest of his gear like? did anyone else in the group "need" it?

it kind of sounds like you're just being a judgmental asshole who's humiliating this person for no good reason, but i know the loveable swish would never stoop that low

You missed me saying you can get a +9 MR necklace if you really need the MR? Bards don't need str.

If I see a guy twinked to the teeth trying to call "need" on MM loot then something's up. This is one of the things wrong with the server. Just out of the picture is a shaman in rags.

In a separate group last week we handed out a froggie robe that dropped in disco to a mage in an advisor robe... that's how we should be playing. Not calling need on stuff we'll either barely use or are straight up going to hit the tunnel with afterwards.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can afford css but not 50pp neck sounds legit

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl do you even play here? Good luck crawling Lguk, CoM, Seb, etc at primetime. Or maybe just another lvl 20 with opinions

Well there is your problem understanding simple logic. If you cannot crawl at prime time you crawl when? Don't burst a vein trying to figure it out.

[fastboy21]

The whole mr neck thing is a strawman...

there is a big difference between an epic'd rogue in mm demanding a roll on a midnight cape and an epic'd rogue in seb demanding a roll on hiero cloak.

Many of us posting here are approaching NBG from the position of having played multiple chars to max level with the majority of people we play with having done the same. Many of us don't play our mains unless we are raiding. Many of us don't even consider a single char to be their main anymore. For us, the whole paradigm of NBG totally breaks down because there is no way to determine "need" in a fair way in the places we are grouping and the people we are grouping with. The solution, for us, is to really roll everything.

I guess that sounds heartless to the guy who just started a month ago and is losing NBG rolls in mistmoore. Its not. We're almost playing two different games. Most of us just pass on that stuff in those situations because we know that someone in group would actually need the item.

Most of the folks I know routinely give away items, buff, help with CRs, answer questions for folks, etc. Calling them indecent because they have rationally concluded that NBG is the fairest way to distribute loot in the places they are playing is just inaccurate.

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...Everquest wasn't designed for NBG nor is it a morally superior loot system... its just what people did 15 years ago who didn't know any better.

Or they just behaved like honest, moral human beings that valued friendships more than pixels. Just a thought.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah you cant have exceptions if you don't want/like NBG. If it's mqable then there's no reason for all not to roll.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People need to stop acting like NBG is some sort of ideal or fair system, or even something to aspire to. It isn't. It is inherently unfair unless the camp you are at has an equal chance of dropping useable loot of the same value for all classes.

I can't think of any such camps, unless all of the items from the camp are All/All in which case NBG is irrelevant.

It's not about fairness. inherently or otherwise.

[Swish]

Shutting people with no gear out from getting usable gear they definitely need all because you want an equal chance to be able to sell it in the tunnel isn't my idea of a healthy community.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole mr neck thing is a strawman...

there is a big difference between an epic'd rogue in mm demanding a roll on a midnight cape and an epic'd rogue in seb demanding a roll on hiero cloak.

Many of us posting here are approaching NBG from the position of having played multiple chars to max level with the majority of people we play with having done the same. Many of us don't play our mains unless we are raiding. Many of us don't even consider a single char to be their main anymore. For us, the whole paradigm of NBG totally breaks down because there is no way to determine "need" in a fair way in the places we are grouping and the people we are grouping with. The solution, for us, is to really roll everything.

I guess that sounds heartless to the guy who just started a month ago and is losing NBG rolls in mistmoore. Its not. We're almost playing two different games. Most of us just pass on that stuff in those situations because we know that someone in group would actually need the item.

Most of the folks I know routinely give away items, buff, help with CRs, answer questions for folks, etc. Calling them indecent because they have rationally concluded that NBG is the fairest way to distribute loot in the places they are playing is just inaccurate.

Naw im p sure that the whole nbg on a fung/heiro line is the strawman here.