Forsaken is a bait and switch guild, warning to all players

[Stormfists]

1. /w all 55 60 cleric.
2. "Hey we have no entry requirements btw".
3. Profit.

[lonmoer]

It seems like a lot of guilds do this. I joined Azure Guard and earned a lot of DKP and was saving it up for some good items. In their bid system you can only make a max DKP bid of 200 or so and by golly gosh darn it every time i max bid the the loot council awarded the items to officers. How convenient.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I attended my first guild meeting in TS3 and learned they utilize a loot council and DKP system and I immediately got a weird/bad feeling about it. Something just didn't add up to me and the explanations given by the leadership didn't make any sense. Saying that they need loot council on certain items in order to be sure people who help the guild by tracking, handling dkp, and other guild helping related tasks, get rewarded accordingly for the extra effort. In my opinion DKP does that naturally and so the council is not needed.

Like I said members of the guild were great to me but after listening to leadership give all these members some run around reason on why they utilize loot council I couldn't help but feel as though the majority of the guild was getting the shaft.

After reading OPs post it confirms the suspicion I was feeling. I've always been a guy who follows his gut and after sitting on that meeting last night I definitely felt like something was off and I just had to follow that intuition.

I honestly wish Forsaken the best and am thankful for the kindness they showed me. A few members are excellent people and I enjoyed my time with them. It's the leadership that unfortunately just gave me some bad/dishonest vibes. I hope I'm mistaken for the sake of the other members but I feel like the majority of the guild is getting swindled.

Forsaken's loot system is completely transparent.

All members and applicants have full access to view all DKP standings, all attendance standings, all tracking standings, every item ever awarded to any member, and for what DKP amount. This information is archived and dated, with additional details to top it all off.

If any member or applicant ever has a question regarding loot, we of the officer core are more than willing to detail everything and anything.

It's impossible to hide anything or to manipulate our system. People have logs of who was awarded what, and when. Our guild policy is that all members are to keep logs running at all times. Every single person in this guild is at all times, free to check all records pertaining to loot, accrued DKP, and item awarding.

Forsaken will not be the guild for everyone, but Forsaken's loot system is incredibly straight-forward, consistent, and transparent.

[Pokesan]

What's straight forward about being awarded DKP but not being allowed to spend it?

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and just as an aside anyone who can inflict massive damage upon Forsaken and provide evidence will be paid 500k platinum, just PM me if you have a plan to work out the details!

Please direct your attention to the first post that I made in reply to this thread here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=1#post2185028

Sir, with all due respect, your raid attendance was too low to bid, as per a policy set since the creation of Forsaken. I do not know what more I can say on the issue. Attempts at slander without proof is foolish. We care a great deal about the membership of our guild. If anybody has a question pertaining to Forsaken, just ask us!

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Valura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they dont even remember who they recruit. i joined cuz dottedup asked if i wanted to slay dragons and then i left cause i felt like it. then i was asked (by him) to join again and then left cause i felt like it

the end

Valura - Wizard - Level 59 (as of recruit date) - Tagged 12/31/2015 - Application End Date: 1/30/16 - Vote End Date: 2/6/2016 - Application Submission: Yes - Orientation: No - Invite Log: Yes - Forum Access: Yes - DKP Account Access: Yes - Twitter Access: No - Requirements Completed: No - Raid Attendance: 0% (last calculation 1/23).

[Rararboker]

I joined this guild in like sept of 2015? Maybe august. I got VP and velious loot within my first few months. Sounds like there is more to this story.

[Pokesan]

I don't think Valura was saying you don't keep records but rather that you spam invite so many people that you don't remember who's been in your guild.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's straight forward about being awarded DKP but not being allowed to spend it?

I cannot speak for the minors here, but as adults, it is our responsibility to ensure that we have read, understood, and accepted the rules for the organizations of which we apply ourselves to. This rule is clear as day, outlined in a permanent policy page located in an easy to find location on our forums under the heading, "Loot Policy". Failure to read or accept these policies are not the responsibility of anyone but those individuals with which are making decisions for themselves.

Anyone who does not like a policy is open to discuss said policy openly with officers. This does not guarantee the change or removal of said policy, but at the end of the day, individuals that reject said policies, should not have applied for membership, or should have respectfully withdrawn said application.

There's nothing wrong with that.

[Pokesan]

The policy being written down has no bearing on the deceptive nature of awarding worthless DKP to less hardcore players.

Imagine being paid in company scrip you cannot buy anything with.